Me and my friend were discussing this the other day about how he said RAID is no longer needed. He said it was due to how big SSDs have gotten and that apparently you can replace sectors within them if a problem occurs which is why having an array is not needed.

I replied with the fact that arrays allow for redundancy that create a faster uptime if there are issues and drive needs to be replaced. And depending on what you are doing, that is more valuable than just doing the new thing. Especially because RAID allows redundancy that can replicate lost data if needed depending on the configuration.

What do you all think?

  • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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    11 months ago

    Unlike hdd, I never experienced graceful disk failures on ssd. Instead, they just randomly decided to die at the most inconvenient time. Raid 1 saved my hide a couple times now from those ssd failures.

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    11 months ago

    Yeah and Titanic was unsinkable.

    If the controller in your SSD fries, it doesn’t matter how many unused gigabytes your SSD has got for relocating bad sectors. It is still fried. For you, that data is forever gone.

    This is why you have redundancy. Full redundancy. You can go for RAID1, one disk die and you still have no data loss, or go bananas with RAID6, two full disks can die and you’re still going strong.

    Ps. Spinning harddrives have had hidden sectors used for relocation of bad sectors for ages. It’s nothing new. If you have to much time on your hand, Google harddrive hidden sectors nsa.

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    SSDs still have component bottlenecks that can kill the whole drive, same as hard drives.

    Also, 3-2-1 is far superior to RAID, but having RAID on top of that is nice.

    • Maintain three copies of your data: This includes the original data and at least two copies.
    • Use two different types of media for storage: Store your data on two distinct forms of media to enhance redundancy.
    • Keep at least one copy off-site: To ensure data safety, have one backup copy stored in an off-site location, separate from your primary data and on-site backups. https://www.veeam.com/blog/321-backup-rule.html
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      11 months ago

      3-2-1 is for backup, RAID is also for availability, eg your domain server not going down in case of drive failure. good point though.

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      11 months ago

      People say RAID isn’t backup, but I’ve never understood that. Yes it’s only one medium and it’s probably not off-site, but if you’ve got an off-site copy in a different medium, why doesn’t a single RAID 5 count as 2 copies of your data to add up to get the 3 in 321 backup?

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        11 months ago

        Many causes of data loss affect all RAID drives equally from accidental deletion over power surges, fire, water damage, theft,…

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    Its very much still needed and heavily utilised in the enterprise world. Volume size is usually the lowest priority when it comes to arrays, redundancy and IOPS (the amount of concurrent transactions to the storage) is typically the priority. The exception here would be backup and archive storage, where IOPS is less important and volume size is more important.

    As far as replacing sectors goes, I’ve never heard of this and I might just be ignorant on the subject but as far as I know you can’t “replace” a bad sector. Only mark it as bad and not use it, and whatever was there before is gone. This has existed since HDD days. This is also why we use RAID - parity across disks to protect data.

    Generally production storage will be in RAID-10, and backup/archive storage in RAID-6 or in some cases RAID-60 but I’m personally not a fan.

    You also would consider how many disks are in the volume because there is a sweet spot. Too many disks = higher likelihood of total array failure due to simultaneous disk failures and more data loss in the event it does, but too few disks and you won’t have good redundancy, capacity or performance either (depending on RAID level).

    The biggest change I see in RAID these days is moving away from hardware RAID cards and into software-based solutions like Microsoft Storage Spaces, md, ZFS and similar. These all have their own way of doing things and some can even synchronise the data with other hosts.

    Hope this helps!

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    11 months ago

    …absolutely, positively, super false. I work in a sector where we’re constantly dealing with huge capacity enterprise SSDs - 15 and 30 terabytes at times. Always using RAID. It’s not even a question. Not only can you have controller malfunctions, but even though you’ve got what’s known as “over provisioning” on the SSDs, you still need to watch out for total disk failures!

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    11 months ago

    I don’t think the internal wear-leveling and overprovisioning of SSDs can or should be able to replace raid. Disregarding a dead sector without losing capacity is great, but it won’t help you when (for example) the controller dies.

    Depending on the amount of data you’re storing SSDs also might be too expensive.

    The only exception is maybe Raid 0 in a normal PC. Here it’s probably better to just get one disk for each logical drive.

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    11 months ago

    Reminds me of the days that cdroms were brand new and advertised like indestructible, with photos of elephants walking over it. Having said that I assume SSD disks can break like other hard disks can break, and in that case RAID can save a lot of time to get a computer back up especially when a lot of data is involved.

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      11 months ago

      Funny. Growing up, I was taught to be extra careful with CDs because the moment you look at them wrong, all your data gets corrupted.