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If only someone had warned them
There’s no realistic chance of someone winning the lottery, but it happens. If Ukraine is fighting for their sovereignty, NATO should be supporting them. End of story.
Ukraine lost its sovereignty back in 2014 when the west ran a coup that overthrew the legitimate and democratically elected government. What NATO “support” has accomplished was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and millions more had their lives ruined without changing the outcome. End of story.
Lol, you think the west is the only one attempting coups? Every country is messing with every other country, and feigning ignorance when they get caught. Odds are, we’ll all get caught with our pants down and New Zealand will reveal themselves as pulling all the strings.
This is not true by the way
Exactly what a New Zealander would say.
PS - I can almost relate to people who say things like this, or speculate about how every country in the world engages in torture.
Almost. I can almost remember what it was like to dream like you of a world where everyone is as evil as USA, EU, Japan, NZ, Aus, SK. But thankfully it isn’t. It’s a historical process in motion. Not a static idealistic element of all nation states.
The truth is that modern torture practices were invented and codified by the colonial empires through systematic concentration camp butchery in the Congo (devices which castrate people faster, etc), other colonies, then the British invented torture which didn’t leave marks for domestic use, the Five Techniques. The US has further innovated torture by electrocuting people in the testicles and other such things related to our military hazing culture that creates so many serial killers famous in our country.
You can watch TV shows and pretend the world is all Guantanamo Bay, but we have the training manuals slappy. Going back to the torture methods of the british in malaysia and more. We have all the operation condor torture manuals and SERE. I have seen everything slappy. :-) It will always be out there now. Just like 24 taught me what I can do with a lamp wire in a few moments. We opened pandora’s box to try to control the world. We tried to rip the human soul apart and reassemble it. But we failed. And now we have to pay the price of watching our empire crumble.
The Ukrainians are part of a trail of forensic evidence going back to the British empire in Malaysia slappy. For want of all the evidence but the torture they would be marked American American American :-)
All that talk about Cuba makes me wonder, have you had a Cuban sandwich?
It’s believed that the first Cuban sandwich was made more than a quincentenary ago the by Taíno tribe in Cuba. They were one of three different cultures that inhabited the island before Europeans arrived. Jorge Astorquiza, a food chemist in Tampa, says the Taínos used casabe bread, made from yucca, to make the dish. Instead of pork – an unavailable meat at the time – the Taínos stuffed fish and bird meat inside the center of two thin, crunchy slices of casabe, which would taste more like a cracker than a slice of dough.
When Europeans eventually arrived on the island – primarily the Spaniards – meats such as pork and ham were quickly introduced into the native’s diets, transforming the sandwich into a succulent, meaty mass. Casabe was substituted for a doughy, bread-like alternative also, which at the time was easier to make for the islanders. “Traces of the sandwich originate back from the Indians,” says Astorquiza, “but the sandwich was really invented with what was brought from Spain.”
Could a told you that 2 years ago when Boris Johnson sabotaged the peace talks so his masters in DC could benefit from Russia remaining at war.
EDIT: I guess I don’t understand completely Lemmy, because some lib is calling me a Russian troll under this comment and I can’t see it unless I go to the original/non-hexbear post.
This isn’t Xitter. No need to spread Russian propaganda here.
There were no peace talks that would ever be acceptable for Ukraina.
If Russia comes out of this conflict with any gains at all that could be construed as “worth it” for their side it will be an open invitation to keep invasions on the table as a method to apply again in the near future.
Russia is literally the biggest country in the world with massive natural resources and very low population density. The idea that Russia will sacrifice its relatively small population for the sake of additional territorial gains is preposterous.
They’re literally doing that right now, though
They’re fighting against NATO expansion to Russia’s border which they have been warning against for over a decade now. Even Stoltenberg admits this now:
I thought Putin said it was because “Ukraine is a neo-nazi regime”?
No, wait, he said it was because the west were using Ukraine to base their weapons
Oh, nevermind, I forgot that there is no such thing as Ukraine, it’s all part of Russia
Oh, or is it because the west are gay paedophilic gender-neutral-god-worshipping heathens
Or was it because Ukraine was planning to pretend Russia nuked them first so that they could actually declare war on Russia
Ah, was it to defend Donetsk and Luhansk’s independence? Or are they part of Russia?
Or is it that Ukraine has a government with no control, where the streets of Kiev are a lawless purge?
I seem to have lost track of why he’s invading. Could you clarify for me?
Ukraine being a neo-nazi regime doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and planning to host NATO weapons that can strike within Russia are precisely in line with the problem of NATO expansion. Incredible that you’re unable to understand how a single overarching problem can have multiple aspects to it. Hope that clarified things for you.
And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem?
Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is.
Times magazine is a stalinist rag that’s doing Putin’s bidding by publicly undermining the war effort against the Soviet Union!
Don’t believe me? Look who times celebrated as person of the year back in 1943 when the OG Dictator was conqueroring Ukraine to steal it from the heroes that liberated it and genocide the ukrainian freedom fighters!
Still seeing communist ghosts everywhere, are we? Come on…
They’re doing a bit lol
But yeah I’m sure some of those upvotes are from libs genuinely taking it seriously. Poe’s law and all that.
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