Shocked Pikachu face meme.
…tantrum…
What a fart gobbler.
I didn’t have a “tantrum” when they blocked my 3rd-party app for corporate reasons… I just stopped using Reddit.
I thought blocking nsfw posts on mobile was bad enough until I tried viewing a totally SFW subreddit that was small enough to not be “verified”. Straight up didn’t let me view a subreddit that wasn’t essentially approved without logging in or using the app.
Me too, I did most of my redditing on the phone. So the only redditing I do these days is when on desktop looking for various hardware recommendations, cause unfortunately I don’t know how to search lemmy that well
Lenny is also just missing the decade of pcmasterrace and other pc hardware sub content. It might get there in time but for now Reddit is still a font of information and advice from knowledgeable people.
You didn’t, but lots did. They’re still using reddit to this day.
“Sure, 90% of the sub voted for this and the reasons for shutting down are clearly laid out, but y’all are doing this for literally no reason. Stop throwing a tantrum and give me my memes NOW.”
They won I guess, enjoy.
I think what really bothered me about that whole affair, and why I had my single worst outburst on Discord by a large margin as well that I still feel bad about, was because it was so frustrating seeing so many people who didn’t just disagree with us - I can handle disagreement, I can handle discussion and debate, I can even handle a little heat throughout that process. But people would just storm onto the Discord or the sub absolutely fuming and accusing us of all these things…but within two sentences, you can tell they hadn’t read a single post about the issue! Not one sentence or article!
They were asking the most basic questions, my favorite being “what is this even about? It’s not like you have a reason.” It was insulting really. Here we were spending all this time and effort worrying about the community, Reddit, how to do this in the most fair way possible and produce what we believe to be the best outcome (or at least the outcome the community wanted in the end), and these people couldn’t even read three sentences before screaming at us and calling us names.
People just were not having it, they did not want to even talk about it. And this was just a sub for discussing video games.
people would just storm onto the Discord or the sub absolutely fuming and accusing us of all these things…but within two sentences, you can tell they hadn’t read a single post about the issue! Not one sentence or article
This reminds me of when I used to take the time to discuss/argue climate science online. I kind of quit after too many instances with aggressive people who had not bothered to educate themselves on even the most basic science.
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By 90% you mean 90% of the 15 people that saw the post and were using a client that could see and vote in the poll in the 8 minutes that they had it open, because that’s seemingly what most subs I was on that did a poll did. The comments were always 90% filled with people saying they wanted the subs to be open, they don’t care about the API changes, etc, yet the crybaby mods would say “YOU ALL VOTED FOR THIS!” while everyone is screaming “No we didn’t, we weren’t even asked!”.
“I don’t like the outcome so the entire thing was rigged!”
You happen to be a republican?
I deleted my near 15 year old account and left, dumbarse 😂.
I can’t speak for other subs, but we used the tools available to us to try and get a sense of what over 1mill people wanted to the best of our abilities and the vote was overwhelmingly in favor. If you wanted to convince me that it was rigged, you could at least ask how our sub conducted the vote or explain why it was rigged. If you already know how we conducted the vote, I am all ears for alternatives.
Additional note (not how we conducted the vote btw): the announcement that we were going dark and the vote post were among the highest-engaged posts of all time on the sub at the time. People were clearly engaged on a sub that is generally pretty quiet despite its size and the support was overwhelming, and we gave people days to vote after a pre-vote post saying it was coming so there was ample time to learn about it and participate. If you have a way for conducting truly democratic polls on Reddit, we would love to hear it, because we have been asking Admins for years for something at least better than Reddit’s own poll system and they never gave us a decent upgrade.
I’d also be curious to know how you sort out people who subscribe and never came back vs. people who are generally engaged and people who aren’t even part of the community. Who gets to vote? Who doesn’t? How do we separate them?
TL;DR: you seem to be upset with how we did our vote and alluding to some option we should’ve taken advantage of. Frankly, I’d be incredibly impressed if you solved the problem online polling, especially on Reddit.
The only reason I am really hammering this whole thing is because I’ve heard this so many times, but nobody has offered us an alternative. Not once. So we could’ve truly been little tyrants in our little kingdoms and just did it without even trying to gauge the community, but instead we did the best we could and people got angry anyway. We fielded people for weeks on discord throughout it, we spent countless hours both on calls and by text discussing this, we took the decision very seriously and did it because we truly believe the changes are bad for reddit and our communities.
Ultimately there’s just no winning when some people simply won’t accept the result they don’t like. I’m not accusing you of this, but a lot of the “it was rigged“ and “this is just a power trip“ came from people who simply did not want the sub closed for any reason and there was literally nothing we could do to satisfy them. Not that we had any decent options beyond what we used anyway.
using a client that could see and vote in the poll in the 8 minutes that they had it open
The irony being that the ones upset by the API changes wouldn’t be using the first party client, so if anything this would have filtered out the people in favor of closing down. I say “would have” because that would require this having actually being what happened. All of those polls I saw were open for days, and the people whining about the closures in the comments just didn’t notice because they didn’t actually use the site much or were just oblivious as shit.
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Exactly. It’s like hey… If the corpos take a dump in your mouth you can either leave or you can stick around and complain about the taste. And yet the people who left are the whiners?
No, the people that didn’t leave yet kept whining are the whiners.
…disappeared…
I wonder where they went…
People on reddit genuinely don’t know because the L word gets the ban hammer there
I loved that show though.
Looking very Shane today.
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Normally I’d agree with you, but… 6 day old account? Isn’t that a little like pulling up the ladder?
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I’m glad I figgered it oot. All I miss are the video subs. I can live without them.
YouTube can’t get it right, I watched one video about police brutality 15 years ago and now they think I just want to watch people get pummeled by cops all day and be mad about it. I can’t just go subscribing to a community with content I like on there, gotta subscribe to individuals and hope the right stuff rolls in. I just don’t watch many videos these days.!
The only mature and adult course of action is to sigh and resign yourself to getting fucked at every turn, as wise and responsible adults throughout history have done. Any action beyond innefectual snark is a childish tantrum. This axiom somehow does not apply to the actions of the already powerful and those doing the fucking on their behalf. That is simply the natural way of things. Do not ask how they became powerful in the first place.
Hey, don’t insult fart gobblers
Who cares
Love how they bellyache about the mods not doing a good enough job when they spent the final weeks of the June protest harassing the existing mods and and basically dismissing and disrespecting all the work we were doing for the past decade. They just expected things to go back to business as usual and the mods should just shut up and continue doing unpaid janitorial duties for the benefit of spez out of sheer momentum I guess? The scale of their entitlement is unreal.
Yeah, that was part of the reason I decided to leave. I mean, it wasn’t the only reason by far, but just another item to snowball into the “fuck this platform” that pushed me to leave.
The number of people that actively told me I was dumb, abusing power, and my moderating could be done by anyone was crazy.
Then they bitched about the moderation quality going down when 50% of the moderation actions walked out the door.
The r/piracy wiki died when I stopped updating it which is a shame, I used to recommend it to everyone. Now I pass them onto FMHY or awesome.
We do have our own piracy wiki here BTW!
Never heard of FMHY or awesome before, what are they? Could you point me there too? Thanks!
FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH https://fmhy.pages.dev/
Shakil-Shahadat’s awesome-piracy fork https://shakil-shahadat.github.io/awesome-piracy/
These are the most comprehensive lists of resources I’ve ever seen, thank you!
How could you?! As a Karen I demand the r/piracy manager and that he forces you to go back and work for free!
Oh, I wasn’t a mod of r/piracy, I modded r/noahgettheboat.
But yeah, the users feeling entitled to both have a sub that was taken care of, and to shit on the mods, was quite perplexing.
the users feeling entitled to both have a sub that was taken care of, and to shit on the mods, was quite perplexing.
New Reddit, in a nutshell. I really liked that sub back when things were good.
Welcome to Customer Service, you’re here forever.
I got banned this week from r/aboringdystopia for “spreading misinformation” by sharing a france24 link (credible established newspaper) debunking thegrayzone (whatever that is).
Here is the url I was trying to share.
“Clean it up janny!” Good on you for getting out
I always laughed when someone called us a “janitor” after we banned them. Like you understand in this analogy you are the trash being taken out, right?
It’s probably just because janitor is the term for a low level mod on 4chan.
“They do it for free!”
Not anymore, fucko. Have fun selling your ungovernable site.
Surely, attacking the mods of a community and calling them whiny babies will get you what you want, right?!
They are my mods, they should do as I command
I’m a motherfuckin user. I log onto this website sometimes. That means I dictate when you shit and for how long. Just be glad your breathing is out of my control. For now.
Aha but your breathing is now under my control now.
You are now aware of your breathing.
Doesn’t that increase the degree of control I have over my lungs, if anything?
It’s all fun and games until a disgruntled banned user tries to doxx you 🫠
People have gotten fucking insane with this “Everybody should do exactly what I think they should do at all times full stop and if they don’t they’re literal fucking garbage, and if you disagree or care about a different thing than me you’re just a whiny baby whining about baby stuff” mentality.
I’m a lefty, and it’s an election year which means I get to deal with this for 10 months straight from the dems.
you’re just a whiny baby whining about baby stuff
Title of my sextape
This man right here officer 📸🤔
And if there is a CHANCE you might do something they don’t like…they cancel their primaries
God you’re telling me. I’m a right winger, and I am not looking for to voting for the 77 year old orange just because the GOP can’t figure out how to do a primary.
Still going to do it because of the issues at hand, but I’m not happy about it. I just hope he doesn’t pull a 2nd round of bump stocks.
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That’s no way to speak to us landed gentry, you filthy casual.
They are my mods. I may insult them as i please. If others do so, they die!
Landed gentry!
When I read that I never went back.
I never fully understand that, is that an insult? English ain’t my first language and I was honestly not sure if I felt offended by that lol, I swear I looked for it on the web, but it wasn’t clear for me either.
“Landed gentry” was a social class of people who owned estates and, well, land. They didn’t have to work; they made their income by profiting off the work of the farm hands, merchants, etc, who worked on their land. The estates these landed gentry owned, along with their wealth, would be passed down to their children when they died. It meant the gentry did very little to earn their station in life, but still had a fair amount of power and wealth.
How spez thinks it applies to Reddit mods, I’m not entirely sure. But he definitely meant it as an insult. His full quote was:
And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.
So I guess he was upset that mod teams get to select who else is a good fit to join the mod team? Of course, the issue is that he is the landed gentry - users didn’t vote for him, nor can they remove him; and he’s profiting off the work of the people who post content and the people who spend their time moderating.
He has to just be riling up the “freeze peach” crowd with that line. He must know that a “users vote” way of selecting mods is always going to be a race to the bottom in terms of diversity and quality as nobody with a unique vision is going to subject themselves to the will of a bunch of reddit-brained people.
When I was part of the Vaxxhappened protest I came to the realization that pretty much all mods of big communities are not “power happy” autocrats, but on the whole surprisingly weak-willed and living in a perpetual fear of getting removed. It was sad, but I have to imagine Reddit Inc is very happy with the arrangement. These people are working 24/7 for free, on one of the many indistinguishable feeds of memes. I was very surprised the API protest happened to the degree it did at all.
To give you some background on the term, it refers to rich land owners in England who had a lot of inherited wealth through the estates they owned (landed, meaning they own land). These “gentry” generally led lives of leisure and wealth, but they didn’t actually do anything, they just inherited it all through their family wealth and land ownership.
I’m sure I have details of that a little off, but that’s my best explanation of it.
“…until morale improves”
“If you don’t like spez decision, then just open up the sub and leave!”
Mods left
“Where is all the mods?”
“They’re just butthurt they didn’t get any support hue hue hue”
Internet is a funni place.
I’ll be honest here: it was pretty fun to respond to people going “well if you hate it here so much, then just leave!“ with “I did, check the sidebar.” I stuck around for a few days after to help the mods with a few unruly threads, banned a few problem users on a different sub I was just sick of, then left forever.
Don’t they understand the mods leaving is a consequence of that “tantrum”?
Probably not, I doubt they even understand what the fuss was even about and are now wondering why quality has gone down so much and why subs are becoming full of spam and reposes.
Asking anyone who didn’t leave reddit to “understand” anything is an exercise in futility. Their brain lack the wrinkles, because they only eat eucalyptus leaves.
Seems like the way for reddit to “solve” this is to just close bad subs.
But that’s easily exploited, if people migrate to other subs and start protesting the sub closures, those subs get worse and they need to be closed…
Oh no, reddit, did you just discover that you relied on your users to make your site good and by screwing them over you’ve made your entire business unsustainable at scale?
Also, somewhat related, is there a short snappy name for lemmy communities? Some people call them subs out of habit but I don’t wanna do that, and “communities” is four whole syllables, and ain’t nobody got time for that.
“solve”
to make your site good
unsustainable
I think you’re misunderstanding reddit’s goal. Over the past year, they have been in IPO mode. They don’t care about making the site good or attracting a healthy community. They want to cash out and are burning down any structures that are providing any resistance to that.
Hopefully it costs them dearly. Kinda like the whole Tumblr censorship fiasco and drastic fall in value but before they sell it. Put #FuckSpez in the poor house
Why do you care how it turns out financially for reddit? The outcome I’d wish for is that more people come to lemmy
Because I was generally enjoying Reddit before being forced out by the API crap. I’m a creature of habit so tend to dislike change and as much as I’m generally liking Lemmy, I’m having to force myself to not check the app every time I get bored because I’ll just see the same posts 20 times in a day thanks to the relatively low level of interaction on the platform currently. Whenever I go looking for tech support online, it’s nearly always a reddit post from 2-8 years ago that has the answer but I don’t want to spend any amount of time on the site, particularly if I’m on my phone at the time since it means doing that annoying step of having to manually change “www” to “old” to make the site functional and readable. I guess I’m just feeling vengeful at yet another good (or some approximation of) thing ruined by yet another money-grubbing, power-hungry, self-important tosser.
Though I see what you’re saying… ish. I think at this point, we aren’t going to see a massive influx of users without the death of competing platforms like Reddit since there are enough people either happy to keep taking the punches or think sunshine shines out of Spez’s asshole. Frankly, we can do without the second kind of person but the first won’t do anything without a certain amount of persuasion and I reckon the sinking of the ol’ Reddit ship would be just enough of a toe-capped-boot up the nether regions to persuade.
Edit: grammar whoopsies
You’re right, they aren’t trying to make something sustainable. I guess I was giving them too much credit when I said that.
The problem they’re facing here is that if they can’t sustain even the appearance of a functioning site that investors might want to buy, then they fail at that too.
So maybe the best way to fix this is just to ride it out and not close the subs, but if they’re just full of users that have finally clocked why mods are needed and that the place sucks now, that’s also a bad look.
If the search engines start to realise that it’s a cesspit with nothing worth linking to anymore, then that really hits their metrics. I’ve just realised I really need to get onto downloading my posts and deleting them.
Maybe daddy Elon can pay another $50b to buy Reddit and run that into the ground too.
They don’t care about making the site good or attracting a healthy community.
They never cared about the “healthy” part either, just “big”. Reddit has been a cesspool for years and years and years, largely thanks to the moderators.
Kbin calls them “magazines”, which has the advantage of being only three syllables but has the disadvantage of being a dumb name for them.
Yeah, I don’t see anyone adopting “mags” or “zines” either.
I’d adopt “zines” expressly to overuse it, make people cringe and demonstrate just how dumb it sounds. “mags” just makes me think of guns
Zines sounds like something Tom Haverford would come up with.
I have never had a comment make me feel this old.
-Signed, an old man who used to publish zines in the early 90s.
I’m not old enough to have published zines but I am old enough to know what they were, and I think it is actually a pretty apt name for it
Got dem Klips…
Commies.
I can’t decide if I hate that or love it.
Given the automotive slang term for “transmission”, I think this one has a chance
Coms?
I’ve seen “Lemmies”, I’ve also seen “sublemmies” which brings “subs” back on the table imo. Alternatives are /c/s, commus, com’s, etc.
I guess “subs” isn’t exactly a reddit specific term. I don’t even know if it started there tbh.
I’ve just realised there’s nothing wrong with taking some of the language they used, we are after all following the basic link aggregator format.
@Obi /c/s is not long (albeit a bit complicated to write, on phone at least) and it could easily be expanded verbally, so you know that
/c/s = communities.On Friendica, everything that is not a person or a page is displayed as a group. As a Facebook alternative, it does make sense, but for you in the Lemmy world I imagine it would sound a bit bland. 😁
I’d like the name to be “community feed” and “feeds” for short. Reddit was always essentially a collective rss with voting weights. In this way “subs” would still work since one subscribes to the feeds.
Ultimately it’s something the devs need to encourage though
News reports have Reddit making the IPO push this year. Get ready for more DRAMA!
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Wait, what ransomware files lol.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/19/tech/reddit-hackers-demands-api/index.html
The stuff BlackCat stole and haven’t released yet.
God, I forgot about that 🤣
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I like it here on Lemme. I feel pretty comfy. And most of you here are tech savvy. And if not, at least you have some level of basic true understanding of how technology works., Unlike those impostor syndrome redditors. And I suppose it’s a plus that corporations don’t hunt us down for discussing piracy.
the larger we get, the more it will get fucked by ai bots, corporations, and shitty content creators
The term, “enshitification” is getting bandied about a lot. But the bots and corporations are an inevitable part of capitalism. Make money at all costs, never be satisfied with what you have, and treat everybody that isn’t you like a stepping stone.
Scammers and sociopathic c-levels are missing something fundamentally human. A complete lack of empathy. But this has always been a part of our species. The difference now is that we have a system that dramatically rewards that sickness. And that’s not even getting into how being able to be evil at scale is going to make the next few decades interesting.
whats a c level
Otherwise known as the C-suite executives. CEO, CTO, CFO, ect…
The best way to fight it is to simply be unmarketable as a community. This is how Verizon ended up having to sell Tumblr for less than 1% of the price they paid for it like only 3 years later. If the cost outweighs the benefit, fewer people will bother trying.
How do we do that without becoming vulgar, sexist bigots?
Have it as a distributed network of smaller instances, rather then having everyone pile on to 2 or 3 big ones. It’s easier for admins to notice the bots if their site populations remain relatively small, and it’s easier to defederate from sites that are enabling the bots if they’re not also home to 80% of users.
What a goofy interpretation of that series of events. Reddit changes API which fucks over moderators -> mods protest and say if they can’t use these tools they can’t moderate -> when API restrictions come into effect, mods either leave over moderating being way harder now or basically not being able to mod
Why is that final step so hard for this person to believe? All of Reddit moderation wasn’t lying to people for fun
Why is that final step so hard for this person to believe? All of Reddit moderation wasn’t lying to people for fun
You are so naive to believe they even were aware of step 1 lol.
They just were mad at their favorite subreddits being closed against their will, that and just being inconsiderate pricks.
What amused me back then is that in most of the subreddits I was subbed there were polls where mods were gonna act as the results said, (we were basically running against the time, so there were not very many alternatives for this kind of democracy, I add this note because many people were very mad and argued they never got to nor realize there was an ongoing poll lol) and more users approved to keep the protests and regardless these cunts were saying that this was mod’s power abuse lol.
Dead internet theory
Also wasn’t the sub basically taken over by one mod who spends their time working their way into as many moderator positions as possible and then not doing anything with them? Looking at their post history they’ve made like a dozen posts in the last month and one of them was asking to mod another sub.
All my subreddits that I moderated went to shit after the protests. I stopped, the replacements stopped, the sudden influx of shitty posts and shady users drove off the normal communities.
Fuck em. I haven’t felt the urge to post on reddit in months and it’s lovely knowing the people I’m interacting with probably aren’t rabid fascists unless they’re Lemmy.world pissbabies.
What subs did you mod? I wanna watch the trainwreck 😂
/r/snackexchange/ - I made it a protest subreddit by embracing Spez’s call for user democracy. Every day every single thing about the subreddit would be reset and users would have to vote for every aspect. The only rules were that you couldn’t abolish democracy and you couldn’t abolish me as the caretaker. /u/Icxcnika was a weird little goober who took it seriously instead of seeing it as a protest meant to derail the subreddit. He voted to make himself mod for a day and then the admins did a mod coup to make him the head, even over the other two mods that had been there for a decade and built all of the third-party tools we relied on to make the subreddit work. He had only posted once, some 8 or 9 years before, and had never moderated. The users and other mods fucking hated him and activity in the subreddit fell off. Now he no longer posts, one of the other mods no longer posts, and the last remaining one is apparently now a bot that sells funko pops.
/r/fifthworldproblems/ - The other mods and I were all on board with the protest. They forced us back open so we refused to do anything. Now it’s restricted and the only link posted since the protest was a Lemmy instance that I didn’t have anything to do with.
/r/modernart - I started rebuilding this one after it was overtaken by spam from people who don’t know what “modern art” actually means. I want to keep the subreddit because there’s good radicalisation potential with it in the right hands, but I stopped posting and only remove the most obnoxious spam days after it’s reported to tank the quality of the subreddit. I’ll be replacing everything with a Lemmy instance link at some point but was always holding out for Hexbear to open up community creation.
I had a few others that I just left or let the admin bot take over.
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He was weird. In addition to the posts on the daily election threads, he was sending me PMs that were flattering in a way Patrick Bateman would compliment someone. Everything was blatantly manipulative and worded in a way that was simultaneously an interrogation I knew he was feeding to the admins. Then the dog caught his car and had to drive it while everyone else on the road screamed at him. I think he lasted like three days before handing over control to one of the mods who was so offended that they quit the website.
Nothing irks me more than someone who can’t handle positive chaos or slight inconvenience. He was so determined to stop the protest which was only over us not being able to moderate the subreddit without those third-party tools, all to preserve the sanctity of a community he hadn’t interacted with in almost a decade. There’s something deeply pathological about a power grab like that. Like what the fuck.
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you know I never used that but it always seemed like a useful idea, kudos to you
did people swap anything with countries outside the https://lemmygrad.ml/c/alwaysthesamemap area?
It was fun at its high point. The problem was like you said, always the same map. Shipping costs run like $20-150+ and that’s a month’s wage in many of the countries that have interesting snacks we aren’t already over-saturated with. Scams were only ever like 5% of trades at most and we never had a poisoning though, so overall a successful prototype of the thing that would work.
Oh wow you rock! I definitely followed the snack exchange saga for a while before switching over here
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Thanks for the laugh m8! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Silly question: is there a community for real, sailing piracy?
Not sure how many Somalis use Lemmy and how good their 5G is on the water
Probably better than at&t in the middle of the city.
sad but true
Make a lemmy instance for somalian pirates
There was that hot Somali who was Tik Tokking himself while boarding a cargo ship.
But he was enforcing a blockade enacted by his government within Yemeni territorial waters so unfortunately it wasn’t piracy.
You could pick them up from Twitter if you weren’t a bunch of reddit brained tweaking crackers
I imagine there are fan groups for Our Flag Means Death.
Got cancelled though, so don’t expect much growth
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that’s the piracy sub… the userbase was pissed at the idiot mods taking the sub down for the API protest, which reddit was obviously super happy about the pirate sub closing down.
i’m pretty sure they regularly railed against the idiot mods to the point that the mods said fuck this and left
That’s basically the whole reason an entire instance popped up dedicated to the topic (db0) AND its main community is the 10th largest in the lemmyverse.
The main mods and a whole lot of people came here.
This is one of the success stories of a major sub migrating here.
I guess this is how they’ll learn about the effects of ruining the experience for moderators and content creators, a majority of Reddit’s scabs are consumers so naturally when creators and mods leave quality goes in the toilet.
which reddit was obviously super happy about the pirate sub closing down.
Oddly it wouldn’t seem entirely like that since when it shut down they basically forced it to reopen. Which is funny since they dislike it so much, guess the traffic and ad revenue is more important to them.
Oddly it wouldn’t seem entirely like that since when it shut down they basically forced it to reopen.
completely right i overlooked that rather important detail. chain/mass emailing all mods at once without really thinking it through maybe?
The mods closed the pirate sub and Reddit reopened it, so now Reddit is liable for it.
Lol imagine still being on there
Lemmy isn’t any better, I’m only here because it works better on mobile
I don’t use Reddit as much as I used to since the API change. I also don’t use Lemmy much either. It feels different since that moment to me. Both feel quite divisive and don’t get me wrong, Reddit was divisive before the change but it feels like it’s got a lot worse.
It’s infinitely more active than this site. The discussion is equally shitty. The difference is people here feel self righteous…
Considering I found this comment on Reddit, I guess so.
