I am ashamed that I hadn’t reasoned this through given all the rubbish digital services have pulled with “purchases” being lies.

  • Froyn@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    84
    ·
    1 year ago

    Things got weird when we went digital.

    1. It’s perfectly okay, reasonable, legal to record a tape off the radio. Yet it’s illegal to download a better copy?
    2. It’s perfectly okay, reasonable, legal to record a VHS tape off the TV. Yet it’s illegal to download a better copy?
    • Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      51
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Recording from free to air is legal because of the “time shifting” argument. The show is being broadcast regardless, just because it’s at an inconvenient time for you doesn’t mean you should have to miss it. It’s also worth noting that media producers fought tooth and nail against this.

      • GombeenSysadmin@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        36
        ·
        1 year ago

        Piracy is just reverse time shifting. It’s going to be on FTA TV at some point, I’m just making it more convenient to watch now.

        • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          Companies pay big bucks for timed exclusivity though. If reverse timeshifting was legal, movie theaters would go bankrupt. I feel like this wouldn’t hold up.

        • Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          I like the way you think, but that’s kind of not true these days. We have streaming services and rights holders just straight deleting shit or producing shitty sequels and reboots just to keep the IP out of public domain. IDK about your location but here FTA is basically dead. It’s all shitty reality shows being hosted by third rate celebs from other reality shows because they either can’t or won’t produce or pay for actual content.

        • ciferecaNinjo@fedia.io
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          The difference is that grabbing it pre-FTA is also grabbing a perfect copy. The quality may not matter to many of us, but to some it does. And because it matters to some, major copyright holders have started to treat unlicensed exchanges as “competition” from a business PoV (which is a concession from strictly seeing it as crime). So their business strategy is to compete with the unlicensed channels by offering perfect quality media at a price (they hope) people are willing to pay (also in part to avoid the inconvenience and dodgyness of the black market).

          FWiW, that’s their take and it’s why they get extra aggressive when the unlicensed version is perfect.

    • aksdb@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      1 year ago

      Remember that there were also big campaigns against tape recorders and VCR. They even managed to get VCR vendors to implement a feature that prevents users from skipping ads. So it’s not like it’s simply legal, the media corps were just not as successful in their lobbying as they are today.

      • Froyn@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        I can’t find anything about VCR’s blocking; I did find a bunch saying the opposite.

        There were copy protections that prevented a VHS -> VHS copy being made of some movies. Easily defeated, but they did exist.

        My scenario was recording an Over The Air transmission onto VHS using a VCR; not making a backup copy of a movie you purchased on VHS.

        Edit: I do recall a campaign against VHS recording of TV shows, but didn’t it ended basically saying “Broadcast public == public domain”?. That actually led to copy protections in VHS tapes.

    • RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      I don’t subscribe to the logic but I guess a part of it can be the lossless factor. Quality of pirated digital content is exactly like the original. If you tape something it usually loses quality. So people seem to care less about that kind of piracy. Which is stupid since going for lossy compressed pirated videos is allegedly not less wrong in the face of law.

      • Froyn@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        22
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Let’s get crazier.

        Our current favorite show is Bob’s Burgers, it’s a comfort show we fall asleep to. Prior to signing up with real debrid I got tagged for downloading a 2 year old episode.

        We pay for Hulu. We pay for YoutubeTV. We have a working OTA antenna (for when the internet goes out).
        My math says I have 3 licenses, yet still illegal to download?

    • Robust Mirror@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      In fairness, it was never legal to make thousands of copies of that VHS tape and hand them out en masse. Which is how you’re getting it when you download it, from someone doing exactly that.