I specifically mean trans people, not intersex people, though they have existed too. There are plenty of ancient cultures with evidence of what we would call trans people today, with some even being revered. Sorry to not give sources, but I’m just not invested enough to go research specifics at the moment.
I’m genuinely curious. Would you consider someone like Mulan trans? I’m from India and we have mythological stories of intersex and gods magically transforming to the opposite gender. None technically trans
No, Mulan’s “male” side was only ever a disguise, not her actually being a man. She was manly/masculine perhaps, as she did end up being described well by the song “Be a Man”, but ultimately her gender was never truly in question by herself or the audience.
I know there was a Trans man that rode for the Pony Express. We just didn’t call it that and if they were ever found out there us a good chance they would die.
What do you call living your whole life with a binder on, going by your chosen male name, and wishing to die over having a doctor give them a look over?
Understood. They were trans in the modern sense of the word. Ran away from home, took on a man’s name and learned a “man’s” trade to support himself. They didn’t have the word trans back then, but no one other than his wife knew the truth until he died. But the word trans didn’t exist back then. And there was no positive term for it until modern history.
the earliest i’m aware of off the top of my head goes back to around 300BCE, but i haven’t exactly done any research to find the earliest example, and i’d expect there are earlier ones. just suffice to say we’ve been around a long time.
To add to everyone else’s replies, there’s also the muxe gender in Zapotec culture (indigenous southern mexico), which is thought to have been around since before Spanish colonization
Trans people have existed for as long as people have existed.
Intersex yes. I thought trans was a relatively new (20th century, maybe 1930s) thing. What is the earliest recorded transition?
Chevalier d’Éon spent the last years of her life recognised by the king as a woman from 1777.
The term transgender is 20th century, but transgender people have always existed
In South Asia (where I come from), Hijras have been around for a thousand years now apparently.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
I specifically mean trans people, not intersex people, though they have existed too. There are plenty of ancient cultures with evidence of what we would call trans people today, with some even being revered. Sorry to not give sources, but I’m just not invested enough to go research specifics at the moment.
I’m genuinely curious. Would you consider someone like Mulan trans? I’m from India and we have mythological stories of intersex and gods magically transforming to the opposite gender. None technically trans
No, Mulan’s “male” side was only ever a disguise, not her actually being a man. She was manly/masculine perhaps, as she did end up being described well by the song “Be a Man”, but ultimately her gender was never truly in question by herself or the audience.
As for history, this Wikipedia page is an excellent summary.
Thank you
I know there was a Trans man that rode for the Pony Express. We just didn’t call it that and if they were ever found out there us a good chance they would die.
are we stretching the definitions here a little bit? Would we call Mulan trans?
What do you call living your whole life with a binder on, going by your chosen male name, and wishing to die over having a doctor give them a look over?
Kindly let me know what the term is
You want me to tell you what you think the proper term is?
I don’t know what the proper term is. I’m sorry. Not trying to be rude or offensive. English isn’t my first language either
Understood. They were trans in the modern sense of the word. Ran away from home, took on a man’s name and learned a “man’s” trade to support himself. They didn’t have the word trans back then, but no one other than his wife knew the truth until he died. But the word trans didn’t exist back then. And there was no positive term for it until modern history.
Sorry to jump at ya.
Also two-spirit people in Indigenous cultures
the earliest i’m aware of off the top of my head goes back to around 300BCE, but i haven’t exactly done any research to find the earliest example, and i’d expect there are earlier ones. just suffice to say we’ve been around a long time.
You’re thinking of being g post-op. Not all trans people have surgery, and it’s not a requirement for being trans.
To add to everyone else’s replies, there’s also the muxe gender in Zapotec culture (indigenous southern mexico), which is thought to have been around since before Spanish colonization