That is wild. I’ve cut back on meat consumption to only once or twice a week and advocate to people who want to try vegetarian/veganism but struggle with it to just approach it gradually rather than all or nothing. I make the argument that if we all reduced our consumption by 50-80% that would go a lot further than only a few people reducing their consumption 100%.
Now I’m not so sure. Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
this is the way
Haven’t eaten meat in what 30 years or something. Don’t miss it. Don’t even notice it. I think it’s a problem of big picture information. If people could understand the destruction associated with the entire industry maybe things would change…
based and vegan pilled
kill me
With a lot of people, there’s a strong doubling down response when they get shown the climate impact and the animal abuse and the grueling working conditions of the meat industry. Everybody knows killing animals is wrong, most people find cruelty towards animals absolutely abhorrent, but carnists are extremely effective at coping with the cognitive dissonance. idk what to do about this myself tbh, i’m just saying that lack of information may not be the main problem here.
After hearing JT double down on “Vegans mean” in the most recent Deprogram in reference to the AMA here, I thought more about it.
It feels like vestigial liberalism when being confronted with a position further left than them. Using underserved communities and other typical progressive jargon to explain why actually their position is more better for those suffering under capitalism. Then they move to personal attacks or character assassination of the people holding the objectively better position instead of engaging with the content of the argument.
Finishing it up with ohh I’m just so picky was the cherry on top. Sorry you’ll have to develop your culinary horizons to stop supporting the unethical treatment and murder of our animal comrades. This is coming from someone raised in a very similar household where pepper was considered spicy and with friends and family that would literally only eat cheeseburgers (no vegetables, just meat and cheese) pizza, tendies, and peanut butter sandwiches. If I can grow from it, so can anyone who actually wants to and spends time finding ways to enjoy new things and replace meat
If you are neurodivergent you might legit not be able to handle some foods, it’s not just pickiness if you puke if you eat tomatoes for example.
You can circumvent that with different copking approaches like making sauces or purees out of things but depending on your culture you might have to think a but out of the box to startdoing that (in mine veggies are mostly eaten raw which I find disgusting).
Yeah I definitely get that, especially coming from someone who was almost as picky as the people I described for all of my childhood up to early adulthood. I suspect I’m on the spectrum and cannot will myself to eat just about any beans aside from soy and chickpeas because of the texture but am still capable of eating a plant based diet. Obviously my experiences aren’t encompassing of all ND experience with food aversions, and everyone should approach their diet with what they are able to change.
This topic wasn’t brought up by JT and is legitimately the one I give the most slack to in adjusting diets. The excuse from him was that people couldn’t afford meat replacements which is hogwash. Any cheap meat will be infinitely worse for you than beans/lentils/vegetables of equal cost and not go as far in portions.
imo most people wouldn’t even notice if you switched the meat in their daily slop with plant material. It’s just an attitude thing towards meat.
I’m slowly navigating life after becoming vegan and this hasn’t been true all the time for me but when it is, it fucking hits hard.
My chili recipe was converted to vegan early on after I came over and you can’t fucking tell it’s vegan. I’ve said before on reddit but I will put it up against anyone’s “prize winning chili recipe”.
I made sloppy joe’s last week with TVP and day one was ok but when it came time for the leftovers, you woundn’t have know it was vegan. To me, it was exactly like the slop I grew up with.
I’m still trying to master tofu. I can’t get it at all like my favorite Thai place does it.
I’ve been working a bit with the soy curls and “beef slices” you can find from Asian stores and it’s been hit and miss with trying to get it right but a few weeks ago I made a mushroom, spinach linguine using the slices and it fucking slapped. I hydrated the slices with veggie broth and some spices and then sauteed them in a pan with my shrooms and spinach and tossed the pasta in at the end and sort of winged it but it was really fucking good.
Another thing that I think needs to be mentioned is that most meat subs are like half the cost of the animal counterpart. Beyond and manufactured seitan obviously isn’t but any of the soy products I’ve tried are. You also get the same or more protein with the substitutes.
If you’re gonna bread your tofu you can’t parboil. The usual wisdom is to use corn starch but I get good results with normal dredge (about half flour, half bread crumbs, heavily spiced) on one cm cubes fried in a pan, flipped once by hand.
Tofu like this is crispy and delicious fresh and fair to middlin as leftovers.
I can try this! With the bread crumbs I bet it would work great with sauces and such. Dang now I wanna do sweet and sour tofu lol.
my process is to take and drain some regular grocery store tofu and slice it into two. then i slice each half of the block into cubes but leave em blocked up and wrap em each in a paper towel like a christmas present to dry out. i start the oil going in the pan, you don’t need as much as you think, and mix up dredge in a bowl, you need more than you think, while everythings drying/getting hot. once the paper towel is soaked through i’ll take it off a block and toss em in the dredge. i like to let em sit for a little bit and also make sure none of em are stuck together.
i add em to the pan one by one and once thyere all in, put the other block in the dredge and toss and make sure theyre not stuck together. once that’s done its time to flip all the tofu in the pan over in the rough order they were added and if you got a lopsided stove like mine, spin the pan around.
a little later, take out the tofu and set em in a strainer over a bowl to drip dry and do the next block.
e: rough amounts for oil and dredge: enough that youre gonna start a “used cooking oil” jug when youre done, maybe a quarter to a half cup, maybe more. enough dredge that youre gonna start a “dredge for frying things” tupperware that lives over the stove, about two or three cups, maybe more. remember to heavily spice the dredge! it if tastes like youre licking it*lian bread then you did it right.
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Vice signalling, if you will
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THEY ENJOY BEING ASSHOLES. why is this so hard to understand?
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Pretty sure unless they are hyper online weirdos they are completely unaware of how angry you are at them. They are like having business dinners and eating steaks and burgers and shit and have kids probably. They probably watch sports.
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No yall are. Stop projecting. I’m just trying to let you know your perspective is being skewed by being hyper online.
Rolling coal is being an asshole on purpose, and i would bet the same percentage of idiots do that as think they are owning the libs by eating steak every day. Less than 1%. The stat is about the 12% who eat most of the beef, most of those people are not trying to do anything performative or political.
The internet is skewing your understanding of the prevalence of these things, and it’s embarrassing to see people on here create straw men arguments about all the beef eating being performative, thinking they’re making a great dunk when they’re just totally wrong.
Uh actually they just like that shit and don’t care about anyone’s criticism of their lack of care for the planet etc.
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Uh no. It’s not that deep. They’re just chuds.
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Because they aren’t putting lots of effort into it.
Your perspective is being skewed by a few hyper online reactionary weirdos. But there are millions of business man dads out there just playing golf eating steaks and watching football who never think about it one way or another. You’re losing perspective.
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I love that emoji. There was also that one tweet of Shapiro or some other loser like him with a huge, unappetizing chunk of meat.
Soy is feminine, but giving yourself colon cancer and ED to own the libs is very manly
I love all those ghouls doing “manly” things that they, for the most part, very clearly hate doing. Smoking giant cigars, drinking super intense Scotch, eating huge and unappetizing chunks of meat–whatever. It’s all very funny because most of the time they’re obviously just barely choking whatever it is down while screaming “does this bother you Rachel Maddow?! Are you triggered, college students?!” It’s pretty obvious that it bothers them more than it bothers anyone else.
Uh i think they actually do like it. I know i do. Scotch and meat are both delicious. Not into cigars though.
Trying to say they don’t actually like it is just cope. Of course they do. The ones who try to use it as some political anti-woke virtue signaling are the most demented of them, but they still like the taste of the stuff etc.
You can have a problem with them and also acknowledge that they like what they are doing at the same time. You undermine your argument by creating straw men in your mind to get mad at.
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Or they just eat it because it tastes good and they subconsciously are trying to commit socially acceptable suicide through heart attack because they don’t care about living longer but just enjoying sensual pleasures until they croak, regardless of who they hurt in the process. That is how they are trained to be from birth.
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That shit is a tiny sliver of hyper online weirdos
No. It isn’t. I’ve seen it, personally, from people in my real life, in person. My mom’s boyfriend, one of my sister’s partners, like half the people my dad invited to his wedding. Carnists love to brag about how much meat they eat. It absolutely is performative for quite a lot of them.
I even have a theory as to why you haven’t noticed it (which I admit I could be wrong about). Here’s my theory: you’re not vegan. Just like cis people often fail to recognize when they’re performing gender, carnists often fail to realize that they eat performatively, because it’s “normal” and “everyone” acts the same.
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To convince my comrades to make better arguments so they’re not so embarrassing.
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comrade, you look like the mad and online one.
bro their stomachs must be fucked
what the fuck
I’m just assuming it’s the “You don’t eat meat? I’m going to eat three hamburgers to make up for it.” people.
Those people are loud and annoying but I doubt they make up an eighth of the United States
Jordan Peterson fans?
C A R N I S M
to expand, meat eating on a regular basis is an extremely recent thing
it is in no way “the natural order of things”
only rich people would eat meat more than ~ once per month at besti mean, people would eat eggs and milk all the time. same with fish. idk what culture youre referring to here, even inland places in europe had people fishing all the time. like 10 hens can produce so many eggs you dont know what to do with them. and a decently large flock of sheep has enough of them dropping dead naturally that you can eat sheep for a whole month (people really underestimate how much meat is on a whole ass sheep or cow, that can last one family a loooong time).
in fact populations in europe that didnt eat fish regularly would thin out and die off because vitamin d was in a very short supply during the little ice age and the actual ice age (around the time light skin developed 20-50k years ago, this was a very strong selection pressure). without proper levels of vitamin d you end up being unable to carry babies.
It seems like people think “oh, they only ate roughly one American meal’s worth of meat a week/month? Must have been all at once as a treat then,” instead of the more likely case of an ounce or two a day going into a family’s boiled grain slop or stew to flesh it out and make it more palatable, tallow finding its way into various things, marrow ending up in stocks, etc. It’s the quantity and role of meat in American diets that’s just a “within the last century” sort of development, not its presence at all.
Like people weren’t going and getting a double cheeseburger with a week’s wages once a month, they were getting (or rationing) a half pound of salted pork or beef or sausage once a week/month and using it as an ingredient in other dishes.
perpetual stews were really common back in the day for sure
also like i said, its pretty trivial even now to go fishing for food despite the massive reduction in marine life. especially in northern europe, it was very common to eat fish all the time. we also know the inuits had an almost purely seal, whale, berries, and fish diet. plains tribes also had pretty high meat diets.
idk, i just think its revisionist to act like high meat intake is a new thing. plenty of historical conditions made high meat intake the only way to do things. obviously eating such high amounts of beef cant be good for you, but its not like people lived particularly long in the eras we’re talking about (though if you lived past 40 odds are youd live to semi-normal life expectancy these days), so that wouldnt catch up with them.
Little dark age: Western beef consumption
is not OKFinally, our very own “Despite making up only 12% of the population…” Stat.
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I just want shrimp
Get rid of all the rest for all I care and give me sustainably farmed shrimp I’ll pay whatever
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Beef isn’t even that good, to be honest. I’ve also heard that beef is one of the most energy-demanding meats to produce.
the beef people walk among us
Goddamn, at this point I’m starting to wonder what problems even fucking are normally distributed in some sense. It’s the same as guns and car pollution, fuck. Beef is expensive as hell these days anyway.
Men
50-65
White
ITS NOT EVEN OK TO BE WHITE MAN ANYMORE
💧 💧The only thing he’ll be grilling are tears.
Never was
Trying to commit suicide gang
A 57 year old white man eating that much red meat surely won’t be eating that much for long ☠
man needs to cook it instead of just abusing their wives into slaving away in the kitchen
so in 20 years when those ppl die of colon cancer is the beef industry going to collapse and thus get propped up by subsidies? beef will be the new milk.
Always has been. In the states corn and soy subsidies lower the cost of most animal products by half.
Can’t say I’m really surprised. I call America the Burger Reich for a reason.
CW: Nazi shit
Guess the third reich didn’t have the paint bucket tool
If I’m reading it correctly, the abstract says they looked at participants’ self reported 24 hour diet, and pegged the beef intake to calories eaten. Does anyone know where one might find data on diets reported over say, a month?
