This isn’t radical. This is normal. Normal people don’t let corporations do this. Radical is allowing this shit to happen. Normalized radicalism is where we live now.
No, No, you got it all wrong! Radicalism is to want people to have human rights and a good standard of living. Upstanding morally impeccable citizens are those who advocate killing as many people as possible. I wish I was joking.
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the guy is supposedly super rich so I’d say just spend time and maybe even money pushing back about him being the most evil person alive
This piece said he cut off contact with his family months ago though so no guarantee he’s got access to their wealth.
The only crime rich people can get in trouble for is crime against other rich people. Elizabeth Holmes didn’t get in trouble for providing faulty blood tests to plebs. She got in trouble for defrauding other rich people. They’re gonna throw the book at him.
GoFundMe has been taking them down because it violates their TOS. No idea if there are other ones out there, but be careful and due diligence, etc.
Also, it’s always important to be careful with high profile fundraising like this since scammers will start their own campaigns to just pocket the money.
Just remember that “build the wall” fund from Trump’s first presidential downhill tumble
I love reading and listening to the work Robert Evans puts out. Always a nuanced take with in depth analysis, backed by reputable (or multiple) works. Born to the right, grew up into an Anarchist.
A national treasure. Love the Behind the Bastards podcast.
Not exactly related to this, but I find it incredibly interesting the sheer level of media coverage on the shooter, when compared to media’s supposed new rule of trying not to linger too much on the shooter least copy-cats get made.
The last five days has been a deep dive into this person’s hunt, social media accounts, and a complete life bio. Like cops are going to toss him into jail, but this guy hit rock star status and it’s got the feels of we’re going to see this again down the road.
I don’t condone the dude’s actions, but goddamn has everyone including law enforcement made this man shine brighter than any shooter that has come before. If law enforcement plans on having some sort of backburn narrative getting out but shit like this, where the guy acted on pain.
That starts transcending the guy himself. That makes it a lot harder to prevent McVeigh style inspiration for retribution. We had the Ruby Ridge / Waco spawn the OKC Bombings because those events stirred ideas, so the people themselves became less important to the narrative. Columbine’s major memory was one that was alluring to disaffected youth that continued to be largely ignored.
The toothpaste is coming out of the tube on this shit. If law enforcement is going to get a handle on this situation, they’re going to need to start picking up the pace. Senator Fetterman’s hot take of “news media is just shitty” on a story about how this was inevitable has been largely seen as clears throat:
Wow they’re all fucking disconnected from reality
Like it’s not some new science that if you back into a corner a wild animal, it’s likely going to strike. The fact that Senators are THIS blind to their failures to address this issue that both of them continually indicate they want to solve, is unsurprising, but holy shit that’s the kind of shit that turns words into gasoline on an already raging fire.
No shortage of shitty takes on the 2024 election or on this assassination
— Sen. Fetterman (via Twitter)
Yes, excellent choice of words to ignore how Congress for the last three and a half fucking decades has continued to FAIL over and over again on fixing this problem. No need to look at this event as yet another failure of Congress to do their fucking job correctly or anything like that. It has to be the various shitty opinions at fault here.
But the media has stories they need to hype up so that you’ll put money in their pocket and Congress will just continue to do their favorite past time of pointing fingers until the heat death of the universe. All the while they’ll look at each other befuddled on how the next one of these could have possibly happened?
I find all of this wildly interesting in how most of them professed not too long ago that they had learned their lesson to only show, yet again, no they didn’t. But that’s about par for people who have long since become comfortable with their positions of wealth and power, there comes a point where feelings and the emotions of the masses just no longer appear on their radar. When you stop giving two shits about anyone else but yourself, every wrong looks like someone else’s fault. For Fetterman, I hope his ass gets primaried, one can only hope.
My biggest fear is not just copycats, but copycats who are either not especially good at it or don’t really give a shit if innocent people get hurt.
I’ve already talked to two people here on Lemmy (who I assume aren’t planning to kill anyone) who say that hurting or killing innocent people is justified in this new violent class war they want to fight. And if they say so…
back into a corner a wild animal, it’s likely going to strike.
I wonder how many Americans are still rationing insulin.
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This is a great overview of what we know about Mangione and, if he was the shooter, what likely drove him. Chronic pain is horrible and so are insurance companies.
This is also at least the third story I’ve heard of someone having their life ruined by a beginner surfing injury. He seems like a normal, decent dude (for being 26, rich, and a tech bro) and it really sucks that that happened to him. Murder is bad etc but I get it.
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What do you expect to fundamentally change here? Corporations are legally required to put profits over people. Killing CEOs won’t change that. You cannot assassinate executives your way out of capitalism.
I swear, people do not understand how capitalism works despite being completely a part of the system. CEOs are easily replaceable and corporations will never, ever care about you except for how you can make them a profit.
CEOs are only replaceable because lots of people want to be CEOs. It’s not unreasonable to think that something like this would make them less keen. People don’t normally put themselves into situations where they’ll be legally obligated to do things that might get them shot.
I’m sorry, you are not going to end capitalism by assassinating some people. You cannot assassinate your way to corporations caring about you.
What you are going to do is end up killing people who had nothing to do with it. Because that’s where vigilantism leads. Every single time.
I’d tell you to ask Ahmaud Abrey or Trayvon Martin or Sunil Tripathi, but you can’t. Maybe you can ask this guy if you can find him. I’m guessing he rarely leaves his home these days.
Well, I say we try anyway until a better option makes itself obvious.
I mean, it certainly brings some focus back to our for-profit healthcare industry and how it destroys lives. And now every healthcare exec can wonder when it will be them.
I’m a little surprised you of all people (based on the viewpoints I think I tend to see you express) are handwaving away the significance of this event.
I’m handwaving away the significance of the event because an ultra-capitalist who wants to make the healthcare system even more unfair just got elected president and, again, corporations are legally required to put profits over people.
Do you think this will suddenly make Trump sit up and say, “congress needs to make things more fair for the poor and I will sign that law?” Because that is literally what it would require.
Jesus Christ, how do you people not understand how capitalism works when you’ve spent all your lives in the system? Also, how do you not understand that Trump got elected president and congress is now majority Republican?
I know I should just give up and stop explaining how capitalism works to people, but this is really bugging me.
I believe Luigi Mangione was radicalized by pain. The shooters who follow him will all have their own reasons for what they do, their own journeys to that violent end. But ultimately, they’ll do what they’ll do because Luigi proved it’s what gets attention.
So even the author of the article, who clearly points out it was a calculated, planned, and well thought out plan, which harmed no one else but Luigi’s target, comes to the the conclusion that this is about attention? Pain?
No. He wasn’t radicalized by pain. The attention he got was because he saw injustice that was inflicted on him and a lot of others and decided to do something about it.
Radicalization would imply he joined a terrorist group to prepare for this. The “group” he joined was unorganized, scattered group of people who suffer from chronic pain and have no choice but to live that way. This guy wasn’t dumb, he also cut off his family, had no children. He knew whatever he did, he wanted it to be entirely concentrated on someone who had a hand in the suffering of so many.
Wish I could be on whatever jury they cook up, because it looks like he didn’t do it to me.
The bit about attention was noting that other people may seek to get attention, not necessarily the shooter.
And you have a misguided understanding of what it means to be radicalized. It has nothing to do with terrorists, groups, or organization.
Fantastic read. Love Robert Evans.
the American public has allowed them to get away with it
I’m not American, but have they? These corporations have worked relentlessly for decades to get to where they are to be blaming the victims like that.
It is the boiling frog story. They just kept slowly heating the pot just enough so most Americans didn’t notice. Slowly boiling us alive with their austerity for profit.
Wow this is a great article. I wished more journalism would go in nuanced views like this.
