• AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Seriously. I don’t want to be all “worker A deserves more than worker B” but you’re not wearing down your car’s engine if you’re reaching behind the bar for a bottle. Gig workers should get a 20 for the smallest order or you should get it yourself.

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          Tips should not even be asked for or expected with such services. Uber should be paying fair compensation based on number of deliveries and distance travelled. The customer is already paying a subscription fee and sometimes a delivery fee over that.

          I’ve heard that Uber subsidizes low tips to make sure orders get fulfilled if they’re not accepted by a driver in a reasonable time frame. Would be curious if someone who drives Uber could confirm that. Somehow people who tip $0 still get their food so there must be something to it.

            • Bureaucrat [pup/pup's, null/void]@hexbear.net
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              Most delivery apps ask you to tip in advance and show varying amounts of information to the driver for them to make their decision on whether to accept it.

              Some show enough to where drivers can intuit someone is tipping $0 or a low amount for something very far away. You can add more to the tip after, but not tipping upfront gets you slower service because the drivers then prioritize other orders.

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                  Functionally, that’s exactly what it is. Drivers get paid a criminally low base rate for accepting deliveries, which is what gets raised the longer an order sits without someone accepting it, as the other user mentioned. It works practically the same as states that have $2 wages for servers that get made up with customer tips. You can tip $0 if you’re fine waiting an hour+ for someone to accept the order if you live in a larger city. There’s no incentive for drivers to accept lower paid orders. The solution isn’t to be Mr. Pink though, it’s to not use delivery apps, tip a decent amount with the knowledge that the drivers don’t get paid much, or work to regulate the industry to enforce reasonable minimums so that drivers don’t have to rely on tips, just like with restaurant servers.

      • ReadFanon [any, any]@hexbear.net
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        3 months ago

        You probably disagree with parking tickets too and yet you still pay them.

        Stop using this moral purist bullshit to justify punishing underpaid workers by defending inadequate tipping, nobody else is buying into your self-deception.

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          Yeah, when you refuse to pay parking ticket the consequence is falling on you, you could lose your license or have your wages garnished. These assholes refuse to tip because they’re able to make a low-wage worker bear the consequences, i.e. financial hardship and instability.

          It’s completely self-serving anti-worker rhetoric and it’s concerning to see it upvoted.

        • TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml
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          I’ll say it again, employers should pay people properly.

          I’m all for tipping, but cause I want to, not because someone is dependent on it.

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        I think millionaires should fucking tip people properly fuck this anti-worker shit surprised to see it come from a lemmygrad account

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        Yes, and since they don’t, I want to make sure hard working service people can pay their bills until we change the system so we don’t have to tip them

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      3 months ago

      Why don’t they just bill him the cost of delivery then? Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don’t get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?

      Fuck this delivery company.

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        Because by not including the price of labor in the price tag, the company allows customers who are more willing to buy a product if they can stuff the worker more access to the goods and services they’re selling.

        This let’s the collude with bad or non-tippers to stiff the worker.

        We absolutely must not give a pass to shitty people who are “anti-tipping” but continue to shop at industries that run on tips.

        EDIT: I actually want to be more explicit here, fuck you specifically if this is your attitude frazorth, and fuck anyone who agrees with you. The “Americans” deciding to let you steal from their employees by letting you pay them or not, instead of requiring you to pay that extra money and then passing it on to the employee are absolutely at fault, but if you fly over here and expect not to tip the desperate workers who are waiting on you hand and foot in restaurants, hotels, and on delivery apps, I hope you choke on your food and fail to make it back to nonce Island.

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        Even as a consumer you would want service and taxes to be included in the posted price of whatever you’re buying. It must be really annoying not being able to predict what something will actually cost you simply by looking at it’s price tag.

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          Yeah but not as annoying as stressing about making your rent paying because some Mr. Pink asshole decides to steal your wages by “making a stand” against tipping (while patronizing the restaurant that pays its workers a sub minimum wage with the expectation that anyone eating there will tip).

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                You just voted for the paedo orange who ran on a platform of fuck the workers.

                My position is that this is shit and that people should be paid for the work they do.

                Tipping is a bandage over employee abuse, the delivery company should be in jail at a minimum, guillotine is preferable.

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                  You just voted for the paedo orange who ran on a platform of fuck the workers.

                  I’m a communist, I did not vote for Donald Trump.

                  My position is that this is shit and that people should be paid for the work they do.

                  Yeah, but your position is also that waitresses shouldn’t “get pissy” about it if some prick stiffs them right?

                  Tipping is a bandage over employee abuse, the delivery company should be in jail.

                  Yes. But the customer using the service and declining to pay for it belongs in jail just as much.

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      If you ever want to get mad, you can look up what proportion of workers are in minimum wage jobs, take a rough estimate of their aggregate income, and compare it to GDP.

      About 40% of every price tag goes to labor. About 7% of that same price tag goes to low-wage labor, which makes up half the workforce.

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    Libs are going to finally admit that the economy is fucked because their guy isn’t decaying in the Oval Office

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    everybody talking about the tip like that “service fee” ain’t right there

    service deez nuts, shake shack

    death penalty to all involved in “delivery fees” that don’t get paid to the driver

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      Drivers should be salaried, not tipped.

      Service fees should be included in the price of the goods purchased and/or the delivery.

      Taxes should be included in the prices posted to consumers.

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      If he does it himself then he can give himself a tip afterwards. I’d suggest a hollow-point but whatever get the job done, y’know?