• Max-P@lemmy.max-p.meEnglish
    4·
    5 months ago

    Telegram was built to protect activists and ordinary people from corrupt governments and corporations – we do not allow criminals to abuse our platform to evade justice.

    So who gets to pick what’s a lawful request and criminal activity? It’s criminal in some states to seek an abortion or help with an abortion, so would they hand out the IPs of those “criminals”? Because depending on who you ask some will tell you they’re basically murderers. And that’s just one example.

    Good privacy apps have nothing to hand out to any government, like Signal.

    • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1·
      5 months ago

      The second I went to sign up and learned a phone number was absolutely required, I knew that their privacy was pure bullshit. That little declaration at the end here is an absolute slap to the face.

        • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          0·
          5 months ago

          It’s bad for privacy no matter how you sell it. Unless you have a good amount of disposable income to buy up burner numbers all the time, a phone number tends to be incredibly identifying. So if a government agency comes along saying “Hey, we know this account sent this message and you have to give us everything you have about this account,” for the average person, it doesn’t end up being that different than having given them your full id.

            • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              0·
              5 months ago

              Says right there in the subpoena “You are required to provide all information tied to the following phone numbers.” This means that the phone number requirement has already created a leak of private information in this instance, Signal simply couldn’t add more to it.

              Additionally, that was posted in 2021. Since then, Signal has introduced usernames to “keep your phone number private.” Good for your average Joe Blow, but should another subpoena be submitted, now stating “You are required to provide all information tied to the following usernames,” this time they will have something to give, being the user’s phone number, which can then be used to tie any use of Signal they already have proof of back to the individual.

              Yeah, it’s great that they don’t log what you send, but that doesn’t help if they get proof in any other way. The fact is, because of the phone number requirement, anything you ever send on Signal can easily be tied back to you should it get out, and that subpoena alone is proof that it does.

      • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        But then you can’t sell your customer’s data for profit. Even if you don’t now, you still have that option in the future.

          • Arkouda@lemmy.caEnglish
            0·
            5 months ago

            The country in which the perpetrator lives or the crime was committed. First time using the internet?

            In your opinion, all companies must disclose the personal information of customers whenever a Government says “This person broke the law”?

              • Arkouda@lemmy.caEnglish
                0·
                5 months ago

                None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works LOL

                Can you elaborate?

                Not necessarily, but kinda. The gov typically need some sort of warrant and they need approval from the country they’re requesting it from.

                Which Government?

                Pardon my ignorance as this is my first time using the internet, but I am pretty sure that every Government on the planet does not use a universal set of laws or procedures for enforcement.

  • mashbooq@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    5 months ago

    Telegram users have never had privacy. Group chats are completely in the open and private messages are only encrypted if both users turn it on for each conversation—and it’s off by default. I’ve never understood why anyone thinks Telegram is any better than posting anywhere else on the internet.