• DarkThoughts@fedia.io
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    6 months ago

    The West should just adopt the same tactics for Russian social media channels (VK, Telegram, etc), regular civilian groups if the state does not want to resort to it. Feed Russia some of their own medicine.

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      6 months ago

      You should look up regime change and color revolution. The US openly speaks about subverting and supplanting democratic governments in other countries if they don’t align with their foreign policy goals. And they have done it many times.

      What Russia is doing is despicable but “they learned it from watching US”.

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    6 months ago

    ‘In the fox news style’

    Hmmm 🤔

    Also interesting how much they count on white grievances and making white people feel attacked. It’s almost like these things make you easier to manipulate.

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    6 months ago

    And before people say “not Lemmy, we are too small” - It’s pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits before they get promoted to Facebook and reddit duty (either intentionally or otherwise). There have been a few narratives this election which seem to have been tested out on here weeks before getting to Facebook and reddit. “Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.

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      6 months ago

      It’s pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits

      Is there any evidence to substantiate this claim, or are we doing the “Everyone on the instance I don’t like is a Russian bot, because they disagree with me” line of reasoning?

      “Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.

      Wasn’t this in response to the dead-end Biden guys who were growing increasingly hysterical as he tanked out in the polls? Lemmy’s gotten significantly more normal since Harris took the top of the ticket and the numbers have rebounded.

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        Is there any evidence to substantiate this claim, or are we doing the “Everyone on the instance I don’t like is a Russian bot, because they disagree with me” line of reasoning?

        It’s option B in all cases.

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        6 months ago

        Nah, more like “Russian bots exist and some people I disagree with are Russian bots.” Which is pretty much the entire premise of the article.

        It’s also pretty easy to tell the difference IMO. The trolls tend to just do nothing but troll and flame. They don’t really spend much time engaging on other topics.

        As far as why I think Lemmy is a training ground? Call it a hunch. Obviously I don’t have a notarized letter from a troll farm saying that they are in control of a certain worldnews forum, but a lot of the usual suspects fit a bit too neatly into that box to not raise an eyebrow. There are some other patterns as well but its definitely all circumstantial.

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      6 months ago

      There are certain actors on Lemmy that I’m betting will disappear after the presidential election cycle or significantly pull back their posting.

      Basically fanning the flames of “democrat bad, support israel genocide” while also saying “republican not in power, can’t blame them!”. Genocide is terrible no matter who does it and we shouldn’t pretend Republicans would be any better. In all likelihood, they would be worse.

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        6 months ago

        Democrats only want a little genocide, as a treat. Gee, I wonder why people don’t want to vote for that? Must be those darn Russian bots.

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          6 months ago

          I’m not defending their actions. I’m pointing out that there are those that astroturf social media that -only ever point out the negatives of one major political party while completely ignoring the other-.

          So since you seem to be reasonable despite your satire and snark, what do you think about the Republicans and how they would handle the ongoing genocide?

          Or will you prove my point again for me?

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            There’s just no point in criticizing the Republican party. Their supporters don’t use forums like this. They almost never leave their respective bubbles. It’s the equivalent of screaming into the void. Republicans bad, Democrats good is one of the oldest forms of online circlejerking. It’s a complete waste of time and effort. Yes, they would likely handle the genocide as poorly or worse than Democrats have so far. If that’s your only point, you’re only bringing attention to something that everyone already knows. It’s so obvious that it doesn’t even need to be said.

            The two mainstream political parties in the US exist on an extremely narrow spectrum. Both are neoliberal in philosophy and generally right of center economically. Only the Democrats lean left in social issues, but I find any support there to be completely nullified and undermined by their demented economic policies and rabid war hawking.

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      6 months ago

      I mean the US gets to shape the narrative everywhere else by making the social companies to do so, but the people removed about how they’re being manipulated in return is always going to be hilarious.

      Lemmy is being overrun by brainwashed wankies more than anything.

      There have been a few narratives this election which seem to have been tested out on here weeks before getting to Facebook and reddit. “Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy

      can you post some links?

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      6 months ago

      Yep, i’ve noticed their rhetoric has gotten bad on the Memes sub. I just unsubbed there actually. 196 is more fun anyways.