cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ndlug.org/post/1001830
Today, we’re happy to announce the launch of the 2GB Raspberry Pi 5, built on a cost-optimised D0 stepping of the BCM2712 application processor, and priced at just $50.
The new D0 stepping strips away all that unneeded functionality, leaving only the bits we need. From the perspective of a Raspberry Pi user, it is functionally identical to its predecessor: the same fast quad-core processor; the same multimedia capabilities; and the same PCI Express bus that has proven to be one of the most exciting features of the Raspberry Pi 5 platform. However, it is cheaper to make, and so is available to us at somewhat lower cost. And this, combined with the savings from halving the memory capacity, has allowed us to take $10 out of the cost of the finished product.
So, while our most demanding users — who want to drive dual 4Kp60 displays, or open a hundred browser tabs, or compile complex software from source — will probably stick with the existing higher memory-capacity variants of Raspberry Pi 5, many of you will find that this new, lower-cost variant works perfectly well for your use cases.
I don’t see any reason to use a Raspi instead of an used thin client for selfhosting.
They use about the same energy, but the Mini-PC has x86, which has better software support, has more ports, and runs more stable.I have a RPI for my 3D-printer (Octoprint), and I will soon replace it with a “proper” PC, because it always crashes.
Raspberry Pis are good for very small appliances, but for anything more, they suck imo
They are what you make of them. I have three 3b+ units sitting upstairs, one of which runs my entire media stack, and the second is mostly just for Pihole, and the last is for general tinkering I might need. The pin array is awesome to have.
No one’s arguing they are low performance (although a 5 is practically 5x the performance of a 3b+ unit), but they definitely don’t suck
I don’t even mean performance in terms of computing power.
RPIs are, imo, not meant as a server. It might (and will) work fine, but one of the main problems I have is the power supply. As soon as I send a more advanced print job to my RPI, it crashes. Even though I have the official power cord.
If it works for you - fine! I don’t want to tell badly about them. They are great.
It’s just that they are very inflexible.
At least your 3B+ doesn’t cost $50.
I bought a couple a few years ago, the only one I still use is the PiHole, which has been phenomenal. I did try to use one as a media server but turned out to be more of a pain than it was worth.
We used a RPi 4 for a Plex server for a while. It was fine except it couldn’t do any live transcoding or handle h265 worth beans.
I upgraded to an OrangePi 5. I’m on a sata drive for the OS and a external USB disk for media. The thing is amazing!
No, it’s not a $50 computer. Yes, it works great.
I love RPi boards, but their hardware limitations are quick to be found as you move past simple hobbyist projects.
I handle everything through docker, and a Portainer agent on top of that, so it’s actually been quite painless. Would definitely recommend
They’re good for media centers, since the support 4k HDR. Can also use Moonlight to stream games from a PC. GPIO is useful, but I guess the PI is overpowered for most GPIO use cases at this point.
Which mini pc? I have an Intel NUC Intel i5 and looking for something smaller but can run a dev desktop (xfce, vscode, node, docker).
I agree, once you factor in a power supply (or PoE hat), case and storage a Raspberry Pi really isn’t all that cheap anymore nowadays. Unless you have a project that specifically benefits from the GPIO pins or the form factor, just get a cheap barebones mini PC or a used one with RAM and SSD already included.
This will get you a system that’s way more powerful even if it’s a couple of years old (the Pi’s SoC is fairly weak) and I/O throughput is no contest, normally with at least a dozen PCIe lanes to use for NVMe storage or 10 gigabit network cards, if you so desire.
I’ve actually been considering getting a mini-pc. My old setup at home used to be my main PC hooked up to my TVs in the living room with a wireless keyboard. Id do some low end gaming on it and mostly streaming. Im in process of selling that house and looking to go back into a more traditional setup, with my main PC In a den with actual monitors, but still want to consider the option of having a mini PC in the living room TV for the occasional PC needs, and running lower end party games from steam like Jack Box.
What’s a thin client?
A small form factor PC. Think of a Mac Mini. Small, often not-high-performance, low-powered PCs that are often used in business environments.
I use one as my home server.
Ah, okay. I thought OP was referring to a thinkpad/thinkcentre
Think of a browser and nothing else. Computation happens somewhere else (except JS)
A low-power computer typically used just to remotely connect to a proper server
The Pi is do damn overpriced.
For 80$ I can get an 8th gen HP Mini with 16 GB of RAM + 256 GB M.2., case, power brick, all cables and have a much more stable and powerful system.
If you want an new SBC: Intel N100 for as low as $60 with 4GB DDR5 RAM.
The raspberry pi isn’t a hobby/consumer product anymore. 2020 has shown that the Pi Foundation sees itself as an industry-first product. Also don’t forget that they went public a few months ago so who knows what will come out of this step.
Let’s face it: Intel driver support is great maybe even better than it is on a Raspberry Pi and proprietary is both hardware.
Where can you find an N100 for $60 with 4GB of memory?
EDIT: Nvm, found the comment replying to this mentioning Radxa boards. Just found them the other day. Very interested.
Glad I looked at this thread. The fact they’re cheap and have what sound like reliable PoE hats… Tempted to replace a few old Pis lol. Maybe. But can at least say no future devices will be Pis at this point.
Note: only using them for simple things. Wireguard VPN (no I don’t have a fast internet so I don’t need more than the 1gb connection speed), pi hole, and a touch panel I installed that connects to home assistant on the wall.
Not enough RAM to be honest (at least not to be useful in the near future). I ran an Emby/Jellyfin server with 180 GB of music (nothing else was running, not even the UI), and it ran out of RAM, and was swapping like crazy at 1 GB of RAM on my Rpi3. In this day and age, you need 2 GB of RAM for servers, but that won’t be enough within a couple of years (and that’s why I don’t suggest this new model with 2 GB of RAM). I personally would only get a new Raspberry Pi if it comes with 16 GB of RAM, so I can run a UI properly. You just can’t ever have enough RAM these days. Linux is using less RAM than Win11, but not by much these days. It’s growing too fast in requirements in the last 3-4 years.
It’s growing too fast in requirements in the last 3-4 years.
I haven’t noticed it tbh.
3 years ago XFCe needed on Debian about 450 MB of RAM (on a clean boot). It now needs 850. And that’s not so much XFce’s fault, it’s all the other stuff underneath that have been growing too much too.
I mean, heck, Cosmic should not need more than 500 MB of RAM overall, having such a clean codebase. And yet it’s the heaviest of them all, at 2.5 GB (even Gnome/KDE boots at 1.3 GB on Debian). And it’s not a matter of optimization because it’s an alpha. That’s a cheap explanation. It’s just heavy. Just as much as Windows in terms of ram usage.
I think it’s the “unused RAM is wasted RAM” technology. Try on a machine with no more than 2 Gb.
you should try damnsmalllinux, it had a revival recently
A raspberry pi isn’t and has never been a good choice for a server.
For an appliance like a pi hole, home assistant, or media center playing files from a real Nas it’s fine.
Did. you not read what I wrote? I used it as a media center and it was swapping like hell. That’s what Emby and Jellyfin are. Media servers.
It’s the plans to invest in Israel that bothers me at the moment. After all we’ve seen I just can’t put money into that. I’d rather not buy any tech that support that.
Raspi my dudes what the hell are you doing
half the time i end up using some sort of esp product that costs 2-5 dollars per unit and buy them bulk from china and daisy chain them
way better than a pi
At that amount of ram, you’d be better buying a rpi 3 or a opi zero 3 one.
No thanks
There are so many issues with the RPI
