What else did you expect from Meta?
Vacuum up all data, categories it and let advertisers pay to target those demographics.
I especially love the “other data”… What the hell else is there?!
Also “Sensitive info”, what is that? Fingerprints, social security number, and penis size?
Ha! They can’t measure mine because it’s detachable!
I woke up this morning with a bad hangover and my penis was missing again. This happens all the time. It’s detachable.
Detachable peeeenis
What if they find it? And try to sell it back to you?
Apple lists the following:
“Such as racial or ethnic data, sexual orientation, pregnancy or childbirth information, disability, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, political opinion, genetic information, or biometric data”
Biometric data is a bit scary.
Trade union membership, Political opinion, genetic information - scary shit for a corporation to have, and all of it in service of greed.
They probably know if you have a Costco card or not and that you ate the whole box of muffins even though you said you were only having one
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If you have a smart light bulb or thermostat you control through your phone, they probably know when you went to bed last night, and approximately what your electric bill was last month–unless you get electric bills by email, in which case they might know exactly what your electric bill was last month.
Rotation data? System volume? Why? What use could they have from knowing rotation data? What’s the endgame to these seemingly irrelevant data points? This stuff is so scary, at some point they’ll know what you’re thinking before you’ve thought it in the first place.
I know right? It just seems so excessive.
I always find it funny that meta and google collect all your data for ads, but I’ve never seen an ad that I was interested in
Do people even process the contents of an ad? Most of the time I selectively ignore them.
I feel the same. But I would guess that consciously it not, we are now more aware/knowledgeable of a product’s existence because we came across an ad.
I think children are WAY more susceptible to add though. So many times I have seen my nieces and nephews playing free games on their tablet and just completely watch the video ad that interrupts the game. Kids are like sponges, just soaking everything up.
There’s gotta be some studies somewhere on the subconscious effects of advertisements.
Depends how they are delivered. Social media posts are bad because they look like posts (with a tiny “promoted” badge somewhere) so those get me for a split second.
But I’m an avoid ad at all costs kinda person.
I know exactly what you mean and those promoted posts used to get my attention until I saw the “promoted” tag. However at some point I started automatically scrolling by these kind of post. It’s as if I developed an algorithm in my head to quickly detect and ignore them.
Yes, unconsciously, we are all subject to the influence of advertising and manipulation of information even if we think we are consciously aware of it and try to avoid it. Others around us are, and they influence us, culture dictates norms and communicates through overt and symbolic language. It impacts our decision making processes. Advertisers know this and have leveraged this since the creation of that field.
Here’s a fun piece by Adam Curtis about the origin of PR, advertising, and its roots in psychology at the turn of the 20th Century: The Century of the Self . I think folks here will enjoy it considering why we left Reddit :)
What’s your field of work?
Nice try Zuckerberg
Lol, it’s more to show a point. Most engineers and programmers are VERY hard to advertise to. We do to much research, so it’s often an ignored group in marketing. Easier to go after other demographics.
Yeah, I’ve been using the internet since the 90s, and I’ve never clicked a single ad, aside from accidentally clicking one because it moved under my mouse cursor or finger right as I was trying to click something else. I’m very selective in what I buy, and don’t just buy something because I saw an ad. The only advertising that sometimes works on me is an ad for something new at taco bell, pizza hut, etc. Where you’re like huh, that looks pretty good, I’ll have to try one. But any durable goods that aren’t consumable, yeah I’m doing research before I buy it.
I rarely see any ads. First thing I do on a clean windows or new phone, is to install adblockers. Simply because they have become so intrusive and takes up a lot of screen realestate. On top of that ads have been attack vectors for zero day exploits into people’s computers several times before.
One place I still see ads are on Facebook, and they never target anything I’m interested in. I suspect it’s because of greed. Because they are absolutely collecting my data, so they should be able to target me with relevant stuff, but they will allow any ads as long as the advertisers pay up. I have seen explicit ads on Facebook… on Facebook! Where users almost gets banned for saying butt. Ads on the other hand, is fine…
The result is I’m bombarded with irrelevant ads, that I never click.
As services gets more aggressive with pushing ads down my throat, the more aggressive methods I’m going use to block ads or find alternative services. They did it to themselves.
I mean that’s not exactly the point of ads, they still win whether you’re interested or not
Not really. They get money when you click on them. They don’t get anything for displaying it. That’s the whole point of having targeted ads, it increases the chance of interacting with them.
I know it’s for advertising but there’s a paranoid little corner of my mind that imagines insurance companies paying for some of these, uh, “user insights.”
That’s not just you being paranoid, this data is 100% meant to be sold to data aggregates and one of the reasons why people made a very brief stink about Cambridge Analytica years ago.
This is why data privacy is so important, this shit gets out to bad actors, even if it is “properly” used only for advertising.
No it isnt, Cambridge Analytica was a data leak through a Facebook exploit, advertising companies don’t sell data because it’s more profitable for them to be the only ones with it.
I don’t think so it was not really a leak through an exploit. Data was collected by one party through Facebook was bought by CA and then used mainly for targeted political advertisement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal
advertising companies don’t sell data because it’s more profitable for them to be the only ones with it.
Like hell they don’t. How do you think they monetize your data in the first place?
It wasn’t an exploit, but it was data scraping via the API. That’s why the API is so locked down now - for example, you can’t create a third-party FB app any more.
How do you think they monetize your data in the first place?
It’s all ads. No data is sold. It’s not the data that’s monetized; it’s your attention.
Yeah maybe.
I don’t think so it was not really a leak through an exploit. Data was collected by one party through Facebook was bought by CA and then used mainly for targeted political advertisement.
Yeah, so an exploit
How do you think they monetize your data in the first place?
Advertising. Did you not read my comment? Have you never looked at their earnings?
Ho no it’s not just for advertising anymore. Insurance companies and more have started buying your info from data brokers.
Hopefully that means they’ll start giving me better rates!
Hahahahahahaaaaa, good one!
No, they’ll start raising rates for people with weight loss apps on their phone, or refusing coverage for people who made too many phone calls to an oncologist, or got a lot of texts from their pharmacy saying “X prescription is ready.” Companies collecting medical data is very, very scary for a lot of people.
Even worse in the third world without many of the data protection that first world citizens enjoy. Nobody gives a shit who gets their own data - Data Privacy advocates get hassled by the very people they are advocating for.
I mean, did anyone think it wasn’t basically spyware?
Almost every app on your phone is like this. Facebook, Twitter and Insta especially.
I’m surprised people are surprised by this. You’ve all been walkign round with spy devices on you as long as Eddie Snowden told you a decade ago.
I love how you say ‘almost every app’ and then your three examples include two Meta apps and also Twitter. Their whole business models are to gather as much as possible to sell.
Not every app needs your health data, financial information, and usage data to send short messages to their friends. I get wanting a certain amount of data in order to do certain things but needing basically everything possible frankly SHOULD BE eye opening to people if they didn’t already know.
I just happened to pick the lowest hanging fruits. I could list many more but it’d be easier to list the ones that don’t.
Put it this way: Android now has an automated feature which disables app permissions for apps you’ve not used in a while. I regularly get notifications of apps that have had permissions blocked because I’ve not used them in a week. Even Google realises that developers are getting obnoxious with their permission demands.
And Google aren’t innocent. E.g. Google Home, Chrome. But also non-Google: Binance, banking apps, Fiverr, AliExpress.
I suggest installing an Android firewall. You can use a non-root version. You’ll get so pissed off with the constant ‘phone home’ notifications day & night that you’ll disable them. I was getting fucking RSI in my wrist cos the notifications made my Garmin vibrate almost non-stop for every notification going from a phone app to somewhere across thw world with my data. Last night I got 3 notifications in 15mins stopping me from sleeping and I still had things locked down a lot.
Until you’ve looked at how truly obscene it is you don’t realise just how banal this post is.
Their whole business models are to gather as much as possible to sell.
I wish people would stop repeating this, since that’s not how any of this works. It’s a common misconception that way too many people believe to be true. Logically it doesn’t make sense - having data that other companies don’t have is what makes the company valuable, so why would they sell that? Google would just buy Facebook’s data and vice versa, and then neither of them would have a competitive advantage.
Data is used for ad targeting. Advertisers specify the audience to show their ads to, and Google/FB/etc deliver the ads to the specified audience. The advertisers never actually see the data, nor do they see the exact users that saw their ad.
How do you think Meta and other similar companies attract advertisers? They sell ad space to them with the ability to highly target ads to their users.
That’s what I mean by sell - they are literally letting advertisers buy ads to target to all of the people who they’ve gotten information about that would most likely click on and convert to buyers. Non-targeted ads are significantly less valuable from an advertising standpoint because if they don’t apply to you, you’re more likely to ignore it and the advertiser is getting less money back on their ad purchase investment.
They sell ad space to them with the ability to highly target ads to their users.
Yes, but that’s different to directly selling the data, which is why gets said (or implied) a lot.
They are focused on the immediate profit, not long term; no publicly traded corporation focuses on long term, not anymore. If it increases their bottom line to sell my data, they will.
What they have that’s unique is their particular algorithm for targeting. They don’t need to keep my info to themselves to profit off said algorithm.
In short, I don’t believe you. shrug Nothing personal…
But if they sell the data, then isn’t their ads delivery system less effective and therefore less valuable? If two people have the same data sets, they can undercut each other when selling it/access to it. Makes more business sense to hold onto the data, and just sell ad delivery to businesses that want to show ads to the users that that data is about.
If it increases their bottom line to sell my data, they will.
It doesn’t though, since the data (having unique targeting attributes that otter ad networks don’t have) is what makes the company valuable.
What they have that’s unique is their particular algorithm for targeting. They don’t need to keep my info to themselves to profit off said algorithm.
Targeting is mostly about having good data. The algorithms are all based on having the data. If other companies have the same data, they’d be able to use it in similar ways.
What also impresses me is the app size: 191MB (before installing) for an app that doesn’t have any complex feature.
Love to ship every icon in 1080p and a JITing Javascript VM that runs on top of a JITIng Java VM and also the code to collect all this data and the APIs of thirty ad networks to send it to. Also a complete reimplementation of buttons, can’t be caught dead using the buttons the system provides.
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So many trackers that even a kennel of bloodhounds can’t keep up with it.
I don’t see how the app could possibly function without access to your call logs and messages. /s
I mean, it’s meta - of course it’s too invasive.
“You can be unethical and still be legal”
- Mark Zuckerberg
ITT people are surprised that facebook wants to steal your info, what a surprise!
Post number 3.492 complaining about Threads
Do you really think, there should only be two post complaining about this shitty piece of software and then we should walk our way?
Clearly there should be 3491 only.
There’s a big range between 2 posts and obsessive reposting of the same thing over and over
Yep then the same people go saying “wow can’t believe how there was only few posts and people already forgot it.”
I see Lemmy is already at the “X is bad, updoots on the left” stage
Hey it’s my turn to post this tomorrow
This is a lot more than mildly infuriating.
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Is that we we put you?
Go back to Reddit lmao
Lol people see this and then think I got nothing to hide and proceeds to download🤣🤣
I find this ridiculous, but the general public doesn’t seem to care. And this stuff will continue until they do. So forever.
No they not, in EU people where using VPNs (probably free, with more tracking) to use Threads.
When USA tried to block TikTok, people started to use free VPNs to continue using TikTok.
Mostly are unaware or don’t understand, other just don’t care they “have nothing to hide”
Were you expecting anything better from zuck lmao?
yes, very threadtening design indeed.
💀💀💀
What, you don’t see why a Twitter-esque app would need access to your Health and Fitness data?
/s
“sensitive info”
