I still stand with Signal App.
- Telegram has no default E2EE.
- Threema’s encryption was compromised .
- Threema & Telegram both are for profit companies.
- Signal is non-profit & all their source code + finances are public. Even their server codes are publically available
Man, everyone is hopping on the Trash Signal Bandwagon, even though TG is less secure, and nobody (the 99%) uses Threema.
Don’t forget Threem encryption was broken. Threema is not free
I can’t believe people are saying Telegram and Threema might be better than Signal. Signal isn’t perfect but Telegram and Threema are worse.
Signal is much worse than Telegram (in terms of privacy)
Please give several reasons why
- The Encryption algorithm of Signal is basically the same algorithms proposed by the US gov in 2000. There is no way they would release these encryption algorithms if they couldn’t break them themsleves
- If you would see which organisations are supporting Signal (look at where Signal gets all the money), you would also agree with me. There is no way these organasations are supporting them for your privacy. Why would they? The same people who are trying their best to get all your data. Believing this is just pure naivity imo but call me what you want
Please stop spreading FUD.
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The encryption used by Signal would not be used if it could be easily broken. It’s fully open source and is regularly audited. People would not recommend it if it were so broken like you say; this is just fearmongering.
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lol, lmao even
I’m not forcing you to believe anything. Also this is a free platform where I can say what I think. I won’t hold myself back from expressing my view only because the majority has a different opinikn (looking at the downvotes). I personally just wouldn’t trust it. And it also doesn’t have any difference to Whatsapp and co. (encryprion algos are the same) which completely removes the purpose of it even existing (ik open source is still an argument. But they don’t have reproducable builds so even that falls apart) so there really isn’t any reason for me to switch to it or promote it to anybody at all.
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Signal is not applicable when you need a public space for people to just have a discussion, like in discord. Signal clients are clunky and rely on cross sync from what I see, while telegram clients are well made and convenient to use. Even Whatsapp went away from electron so I’d choose it over signal any day.
Have you tried Signal recently? On Android it’s very well polished.
In fact I believe it’s a shame that not more people use such a beautiful app, regardless of privacy and security implications.
I have no use for it for now and as long as it’s still electron on desktop I don’t want to have it running.
Signal clients are clunky
Obviously you have never used Element for matrix. Signal is like a Ferrari in comparison.
Yeah I’ve never used matrix really.
Matrix would work for that and would avoid proprietary software and sketchy companies
Does it sync automatically between desktop and mobile? Can I share an image into it on mobile and have it a few seconds later on laptop?
how has no one discussed matrix here
I don’t get it at all. There are plenty of platforms like matrix, xmpp, simplex that don’t require phone numbers tied to your identity. Signal has somehow managed to convince people that it’s a private platform, despite it being a US hosted service that requires phone numbers.
Say the US government, in a worst-case scenario in which it constantly monitors all traffic that goes through Signal’s data centers, can ‘only’ see phone numbers, IP addresses and timestamps, right? Or am I forgetting something here?
Metadata and social graphs are more important than message content, esp since not many people have the time to read through individual messages to build meaning.
Signal stores phone numbers (meaning your identity, and home address), and message timestamps: who texted who and when, and who’s in chats with who else. More than enough to build social graphs and connections, and also figure out where people are through their IP addresses.
Do you happen to know what metadata matrix stores? I assume matrix.org specifically stores email and username, right
Signal can’t see who is texting who. They can’t see which groups you are part of. Those information are end to end encrypted, same as your chats itself, your profile picture, your stories, etc.
Signal doesn’t store message timestamps either.
What Signal itself knows of you is your phone number, the timestamp of your registration, the timestamp of your last connection to the server. That’s it.
Yes metadata is critical but Signal handles metadata very well. Indeed, even though I’m a fan of Matrix, better than Matrix. Matrix is a metadata nightmare due to it’s centralized structure and the way the protocol works.
Signal can’t see who is texting who. They can’t see which groups you are part of. Those information are end to end encrypted, same as your chats itself, your profile picture, your stories, etc.
This is completely false. They can absolutely see who is texting who, in fact they need it to be able to route messages. They have message timestamps, and phone numbers stored in their database.
Question, why do you “trust” signal? You can’t see what code their centralized server is running, unlike matrix which you can self-host and build from source. You don’t have to “trust” matrix, you can verify it for yourself.
Signals server is open source. You can run a server. You just can’t connect to the main net because each server is it’s own thing so it doesn’t make sense besides for development purposes.
Please don’t spread misinformation.
- Signal server is open source (as said) and thus can be verified: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server
- and no they can’t see who you message as you can read in the technical specifications of the protocol: https://signal.org/docs/
They went over a year without publishing their server updates. And how do you know signal is running the code they say they are? Do you trust them?
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That must mean it’s working! :D
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suspicious funding
Which lines of its libre software source code are malicious?
requires your phone number
It’s centralised
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So, which malicious lines of libre software source code have been funded? This is how we stop FUD. Don’t let them derail us.
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It’s not. Our devices run software, not funding.
