Sounds like trouble for Newpipe, Sponsorblock, etc…

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    I will never tolerate ads. I will give up YouTube before I watch ads.

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      I can tolerate ads as long as it’s helping the creators and isn’t used to make the platform worse. The first condition is only sometimes satisfied and the 2nd is being straight up violated.

      If they can fix how garbage search is and put the dislike count back, I’ll happily pay for premium as a thank you for making a great platform. But nope, they just focus on making the UI even worse.

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        This is a good discussion point, rather than an arms race discussion of ads vs adblockers.

        Some key points to make are that Google is making a crap ton of money from ads, they are keeping most of it so creators must resort to sponsorships and patreon. Google additionally makes money by selling your profile data.

        It’s not like I have a true answer to your question, but a “workable” system should consist of: Google makes money Creators make money Customers are reasonably private The concept of making money isn’t about making the entire system worse, just so you pay for it not to be

        My problem with Google is they don’t really care. They’ll burn it all if it makes them money until it’s dead.

        There could be some key features that get implemented on a paid tier, but paying is just ads vs no ads.

        An equally valid question would be, what can YT do to incentivize you to pay? They could ad features only available to subscribers, but they really don’t.

        I would make it a semi walled garden, with free and premium content. Subscription tiers would be for customers and creators alike. Vimeo has a good system (though not perfect) with feature sets only available certain tiers. There’s incentive to upgrade if you want those features.

        Here’s a big differentiator though. YT has this magic algorithm that feeds you what it wants to. Creators have no say in that (nor do customers). But if I post a video you like, I want you to watch more of my videos, not videos from somebody else similar to me. YT takes full control, and sends people away just as fast as sending them in. Why would I pay for that?

        Platforms like Vimeo don’t do that (I’m not advocating vimeo, they’re just the example I think is most comparable). Wouldn’t having some level of control over that as a viewing customer and content creator have value? No, let’s just slap ads on it.

        I can also argue that this goes against my final criterea point, that YT just made things worse with their algorithm and this is just paying to remove it. There was a day where subscribing to a channel meant you got to see their videos. No bell ringing needed.

        And I’m sorry I just vomited my brain into these thoughts and wall of text. If you made it this far, bless you.

        But this is why I don’t use YT directly. I was with vanced but ended up with newpipe, because its a simple scraper. That fact not only removes ads, but it gives me control of what I watch with my time (which has value). That is the lesson YT forgot, and the root of why any of this is an issue.

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    Does NewPipe use the YouTube API, or is it a scraper? Also, how will this fix Vanced, that’s using the actual YouTube app?

    There are also browser extensions that just play the ads, muted, at like 100× speed. It might as well just be a tiny buffering hiccup at that speed.

    I guess we’ll need to see, but I’m not too worried.

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      It’s a scraper. And, in theory, it shouldn’t even cause any issues with ReVanced modified Youtube patches except if they need to be updated.

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    Sounds like trouble for Newpipe, Sponsorblock, etc…

    SponsorBlock isn’t affected at all, as I understood after reading an article. Why did you mention it?

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      Yeah FreeTube and NewPipe both work for me still. Might be a problem in the future, but I’m hoping I dodge by being in the weird nerd slice that isn’t worth trying to force ads to.

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    One of my biggest pet peeves recently has been people trying to show me <30 second videos on their phone, and having to sit through a full ass 30 second advertisement. It takes such minimal effort to block the ads, you’ll make up the time invested within a week.

    And you know what, as I’m typing this I’m realizing it’s not purely the ads that are annoying. Just don’t fucken show people random 30 second meme videos in person, it’s annoying as shit. Send a link or something, we all have phones.

    /rant

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    YouTube is bringing its ad blocker fight to mobile.

    In an update on Monday, YouTube writes that users accessing videos through a third-party ad blocking app may encounter buffering issues or see an error message that reads, “The following content is not available on this app.”

    It also began disabling videos for users with an ad blocking extension enabled.

    But now, YouTube says its policies don’t allow “third-party apps to turn off ads because that prevents the creator from being rewarded for viewership.” This appears to target mobile ad blockers like AdGuard, which lets you open YouTube within the ad blocking app, where you’ll get to view videos interruption-free.

    “When we find an app that violates these terms, we will take appropriate action to protect our platform, creators, and viewers.”

    This likely won’t come as pleasant news to all the users who watch YouTube through ad blocking apps, but it doesn’t look like YouTube is backing down in its battle against ad blockers anytime soon.


    The original article contains 220 words, the summary contains 165 words. Saved 25%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Folks, Just read the extra 55 words in the article. Most of you wont spend on a time on journalism of any kind, at least fully read the articles your interested in

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        And give “the verge” some ad revenue? Or potentially have their trackers on my phone/computer? Nah I’m good.