• JokeDeity@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    I am suspicious of anything I see being pushed as heavily as Kagi is pushed by it’s alleged users.

      • alansuspect@aussie.zone
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        11 months ago

        I’m still trying to understand searxng, does it start with nothing and build up its index each time you search? Will your results be rubbish for a while?

  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
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    11 months ago

    That was a huge wall of text - TLDR :

    • Kagi has private investors
    • Kagi has had some questionable uses of the private funding, such as opening a t-shirt company
    • Kagi started as a AI focused company and pivoted to search
    • Kagi is spread too thin over many different projects
    • Kagi doesn’t take privacy, or user data seriously

    Fair enough, but as long as google, bing, ddg, etc get more and more unusable there will be fans of alternative searches

    Even if Kagi crashes and burns, it has demonstrated there is a market demand for useful search results that users pay for directly.

    FWIW I don’t use Kagi because of the login / payment info requirements, so I agree broadly with the author. As bad as public searching is, its good enough to not give up privacy.

    • ephemeral_gibbon@aussie.zone
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      11 months ago

      I mean, that seems like a really sceptical way to live. Often things get shilled because people are just happy with the service and think the business is doing things well. I am a kagi user and have brought it up to some others, including outside of lemmy, because I find it produces better search results than ddg etc. And it’s a definite step up from google in privacy

  • solrize@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    How can anyone worry about IP addresses when the search engine also knows your real world payment credentials? That and privacy don’t really mix.

    • AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      So, this means Proton is not private either? Any product you pay for cannot be private?

      There is a difference between anonimity and privacy.

      • solrize@lemmy.world
        1·
        11 months ago

        Email is inherently not private. Even if your own provider zealously protects your privacy, if the person you’re emailing uses Gmail, that’s all she wrote.

  • BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de
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    11 months ago

    Well that sucks… that vlad dude is ehm… weird. I am happy with the service I am getting from Kagi, but such behaviour is not acceptable…

    • Vexz@kbin.social
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      11 months ago

      To me it’s understandable. Imagine you start a project like this that grows over the years and you even have some employees after a while. Now someone writes an article about your project with accusations that are wrong (at least in your mind). Wouldn’t you be pissed either? At least I can’t imagine anyone who could just ignore that.

  • beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    11 months ago

    Conflicted! Cory Doctorow just endorsed it & I’m way less smart than that person so i usually do what they say :\

    • noodlejetski@lemm.ee
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      11 months ago

      it’s very likely that Cory didn’t have enough time to do research, visit the company’s Discord, and so on.

        • noodlejetski@lemm.ee
          1·
          11 months ago

          when it’s listed as one of the company’s official communication channels with the owner of the company frequently participating, then I sure as hell am going to judge the company by it.

  • Affidavit@aussie.zone
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    11 months ago

    TBH, OP sounds like a bit of an entitled douche, edit: not the most appropriate descriptor, but I do think OP should try and look at the situation from another perspective.

    In their blog post they complained about lack of transparency and noted numerous issues with Kagi that caused them to lose faith in the company. The CEO personally responds to explain themselves (i.e. make things more transparent) and OP sticks their fingers in their ears and acts liked they’re a victim because the CEO attempts service recovery.

    I’ve made public complaints about companies before. I wish I received such tailored and personalised responses.

    • SexyVetra@lemmy.world
      0·
      11 months ago

      You wish the CEO of a company would harass you?

      You wish a CEO would give general denials and the same non-answers you see in a comment thread while pretending to engage with you in good faith?

      Fuck off, the CEO gave no new info or perspectives and just showed himself to be the asshole that recent emerging evidence had been showing he was.

      • capital@lemmy.world
        01·
        11 months ago

        Jesus. How do you function if an email constitutes harassment?

        I get “harassed” daily by hundreds of spammers. I just don’t reply or give it another thought. Things OP could have done.

          • Affidavit@aussie.zone
            1·
            11 months ago

            Sure, why not? Though please don’t spread it around, I’m currently under deep cover pretending to be an Australian who frequently comments on Australian news and is registered with an Australian-themed instance.

            It’s all part of my evil plan to have the first multinational company with their global headquarters in Antarctica.

    • macattack@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Did we read the same article? His responses to GDPR were very concerning, and I say that as an American.

      • tjhart85@kbin.social
        1·
        11 months ago

        Right?! Super easy to be “privacy focused” when you just flat out refuse to acknowledge anything as personally identifiable information!

    • AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Yeah kind of, but the CEO needs to learn that not everyone will like their products, you cant convince everyone.

      The person said that they dont want to engage with the discussion, then the CEO should have just let it be.

      • LWD@lemm.ee
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        11 months ago

        This is the second CEO to be a weirdo to a random person in the past month. First it was the Tumblr CEO, now it’s the Kagi one.

        Kagi was already in hot water for ignoring its paying customers’ previous complaints, so this whole “I really want to know your opinion, we are a human first company!” thing really sounds disingenuous after the same CEO overruled away all criticism or tried shuffling it away from public channels and onto his much more closed-off Discord.

          • LWD@lemm.ee
            1·
            11 months ago

            The Tumblr (and WordPress and Automattic) CEO, Matt Mullenweg, banned somebody for life over apparently “explicit” Tumblr content, and that got backlash from the LGBT community.

            Instead of shaking it off like an adult,

            • Matt (allegedly) DMed dozens of people,
            • followed the Tumblr user to Twitter to argue there too
            • complained that the Tumblr user had other edgy/explicit usernames

            https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/tumblr-ceo-transphobic-moderation-controversy

            This man’s platform (Wordpress) powers most of the internet and he’s worried about catgirlballsack on Tumblr.