The adversarial relationship between Washington and Moscow prevented U.S. officials from sharing any information about the plot beyond what was necessary, out of fear Russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods.
First it was that they did it and now it’s that Americans didn’t do enough to stop it lol.
Honestly the fact they gave them a heads-up at all is extra. If Russia knew about an attack coming in America they would 100% keep that shit to themselves.
During the Obama administration, the national security director (I think) created the policy of “duty to inform”. The idea being that American intelligence agencies had a duty to inform a target if they knew about an upcoming attack (even an adversary). A big exception is when the warning would compromise the source of the information.
TIL. They often haven’t lived up to their stated commitment to protecting civilians, but for a number of reasons including how easy this is to check I can see how it makes sense to do it consistently.
You misunderstand how Russian propaganda works.
It’s this:
The firehose of falsehood is a propaganda technique in which a large number of messages are broadcast rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels (such as news and social media) without regard for truth or consistency. An outgrowth of Soviet propaganda techniques, the firehose of falsehood is a contemporary model for Russian propaganda under Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
The Jewish Nazis in Ukraine funded ISIS! The CIA funded the ISIS attack! The CIA didn’t warn us! The CIA didn’t warn us in time! This was done by ISIS! This was done by Ukraine! The attackers were fleeing to Ukraine! They were fleeing to Belarus but we stopped them! We are war with NATO! We are not at war with NATO. If NATO gives Ukraine F16s Russia will be at war with NATO. If NATO gives Ukraine F16s, Russia will shoot them down, but not be at war with NATO!
Etc. etc. etc.
The attack was claimed by ISIS-K - a foreign fighter offshoot/offbrand. Funny thing is that ISIS-K fighters were getting lifts from American chanook helicopters in Afghanistan and is largely made up of US assets and/or people formerly trained by the US in Afghanistan.
Lots points to it being a CIA asset, tldr. They’re a dirty army that can be used to keep an area distabilised or prevent other geopolitical powers from building infrastructure/influence (the nutshell purpose of ISIS-K, particularly in Afghanistan to prevent pipelines being built).
They had the inside scoop on an attack outside any usual operating theatre by a group with tangible links to US cooperation/orientation? No kidding.
We told them there was an increased risk. They don’t need to know how we know or the specifics. They chose not to listen or act, and completely dismissed our advice as nonsense. This is on them.
The US publicly said that there was an increased risk in Moscow for the 48 hours following March 7th. Whether they privately said anything more is unknown (neither side is too eager to share).
Indeed, for the 48 hours following March 7th, security at places like Crocus City Hall was ramped up.
Edit: would you like to hazard a guess as to what was happening at Crocus City Hall on March 7th-9th?
Pfffft… Russia already knew it was Ukraine long before USA received intel about ISIS preparing the attack. /s
Those Ukrainian Jewish Nazi ISIS supporters! They’re the worst!
Intelligence methods like paying said attackers
This is why most classified information is withheld and Russia isn’t exactly an ally right now.
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NATO was formed in 1949, already after 2nd world war. Russia has been hated for way longer, so much so that countries neighboring it saw “allying”* with nazis preferable over having Russia take over them
*some didn’t have much option, allying or being taken over with much more violence
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The Red Scare is a more like side goal because communism threatens oligarchies. The Soviet Union also had its hand in persecuting communists.
I’m including USSR in the term Russia because obvious reasons, it was still the same country with different name, and USSR annexed bunch of countries around it.
Those countries that “broke from USSR” were independent nations before.
No one has instilled as much hate against communism as the few dictatorships calling themselves communist have. Not even USA, where ‘communist’ has been a slur for the past hundred years
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I should have probably said they claim to be socialist, but USSR and North Korea was first ones in my mind.
I like your question, it’s only purpose is to try catch me on some small technicality, or get a chance to bombard 17 links to tankie wiki with alternative facts about how Stalin was actually a great democratically selected leader
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thats kinda shady
Espionage is kinda shady in nature.
Do you think they should have outed their spies, dooming them to a certain death?
I think they shouldn’t be funding the groups committing these acts in the first place.
Does the US fund ISIS?
The US has funded and trained ISIS through the CIA since its inception, and is responsible for its creation in the first place.
The US is also directly responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda. Unfortunately another country’s citizens are paying the price this time.
Yes. In fact, I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life. And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
And this is ignoring the fact that you are completely making up that a better warning would have “doomed them to certain death”.
Presumably there’s 100s of spies you would kill all of them to spare one life?
Thats 100s of families torn apart 1000s of people for one person.
So trolly problems a no brainer for you?
It’s the life of someone going about their existence, trying to enjoy a performance vs the lives of people who willingly signed up for a dangerous job to serve the world’s bloodiest empire.
Thinking you can do morality with numbers is sociopath behavior.
I would happily sacrifice the life of every single […] And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
…says everything one needs to know about your morals and your attempts at manipulation.
- Spies who signed up to die if necessary
- Civilians
Pretty sure my morals are just fine if I pick 2 when push comes to shove
I would not “happily” sacrifice anyone’s life. How about that? Anyway, Russia obviously didnt take the threat seriously and that was the actual issue.
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore, thus less “protection” overall.
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore
Ridiculous from top to bottom.
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger. There is no reason to trust the U.S., and many reasons to think they’re lying – they’re fighting a proxy war against Russia, after all.
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for, and there will be more meat for the grinder whatever happens to a spy here or there, because of a million reasons, but mostly because who the hell is telling recruits about some active spy that gets burned?
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger.
No, but the statement we are discussing assumes this from the start: “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Yeah but we’re discussing the case where it would kill all spies. My statement was in response to (I repeat): “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for
Yeah but this is not “dying for your country” (it wouldnt benefit the USA in any way) but rather “dying for a single civilian of an adversary country”. They didnt sign up for that.
Awww the poor widdle spies! They were just innocently torturing innocent people at bwack sites, then destroying all evidence of torture! How dare they sacrifice these benevolent angels to save some RuZZian orc!
How about not sacrificing anyone’s life?
They already sacrificed lives when they decided that even just a few of their spies were worth 140 people murdered and many more to spend their lifetime with medical issues and permanent mental scars.
Fundamentally naive take.
Smooth tiny baby brain lol
Mr. Bortnikov, the F.S.B. director, said on Tuesday that Islamist extremists alone couldn’t possibly have carried out the attack. He blamed, among others, the United States.
Gee, I dunno how three or four lunatics could acquire guns.
They had an extraction plan that crossed multiple international borders.
more like exposing involvement. both daesh and the ukraine are obviously us puppets which no decent person should support.
