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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/1902564
its actually more like 5-7 books
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If you are planning on getting into this game, just don’t pay for it. I’m not saying don’t play it, just don’t pay for it. The original devs were all stolen from and pushed out of their organization (ZA/UM).
That game is a work of art, everyone should play it at least once.
I love the implication that reading books is bad
Go play Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. You get to use a ninja sword to turn fascists into human confetti. Also the final boss is a US senator who wants to make America great again.
How is disco Elysium leftist? Didnt play it, so honestly asking
It’s very leftist; the dialogue is full of political speak with honest critiques of different ideologies. The story itself is set in Revachol, a place where a communist revolution was crushed by the Coalition (a foreign capitalist military alliance of the most powerful countries and somewhat of a stand-in for NATO), similar to what happened to Libya and the USSR.
The game centers around you (a cop) trying to solve a murder mystery that has something to do with the local Dockworkers’ Union striking for overtime pay, workplace democracy etc from a megacorporation.
Alot of the creators are also communists, as you can see from one of the (ex) writers for the game recently saying that the workplace culture after the recent lay-offs of alot of the writers was like “transitioning from the Soviet Union to the fascist Russian Federation”
what happened in Libya
NATO only got involved in Libya after the civil war was in full swing and Gaddafi’s regime had been commiting crimes against humanity vs the civilian population where people were showing support for not his regime.
And NATO only went in with the authorization of the UN Security Council, and the left when the Security Council told them to (against the wishes of the newly formed government after the death of Gaddafi)
NATO only got involved in Libya after the civil war was in full swing
“The country was already in a terrible state after we funded countless insurgencies in it since forcing them to give up self-defence programs. We just went in and finished the job.”
Libya had gone from one of the poorest countries in the world to having the highest human development index of any country in Africa by 2010 under the Socialist government, and became a powerful anti-capitalist force in Africa. The US and UK forced Libya to give up their nuclear weapons program in 2003 and used the resulting lack of a deterrent to fund insugencies in the country, then used that as a casus belli to invade and destroy it in 2011.
Come on, we’ve seen this play out time and time again with the US and its allies (or the Imperial core in general). Be it the wars in Vietnam, Cuba, Afganistan or the countless coup’s against leftist governments in Africa and Latin America. Every single time saying that their governments are bad or something as an excuse to invade and destroy a threat to imperialism, as if them waging wars and killing people on the other side of the world is supposed to improve something.
We’re literally watching this happen in Palestine right now with the US-backed “israel” forcing Palestinians to use armed resistance against their oppressors, then using that as a casus belli by calling it “terrorism” to invade and commit the ongoing genocide.
Bro, Gaddafi literally had rape rooms in his palace.
Source: Imperial core propaganda
Even in an alternate timeline where that’s not just war propaganda, does this in any way justify fucking invading and destroying a country on another continent?
Uh huh.
Hey, who killed Gaddafi?
Was it an invading army?
How many NATO boots were on the ground?
Sure seems like a guy who was just building a socialist utopia, no notes, would have to do something pretty wild to prompt all the people getting free college educations and all basic needs guaranteed to try and kill him.
If you want to argue that he was better than the alternative, knock yourself out, but pretending decades of women lied about their victimization is fucking disgusting.
You don’t need to lie about his crimes to point out NATO interventionism was purely self interested, that they didn’t give a shit about his personal evils compared to his anti-imperialism and that his removal has been a disaster for the Libyan people, but you also don’t need to pretend that his personal crimes are balanced out by his socialist reforms either.
would have to do something pretty wild to prompt all the people getting free college educations and all basic needs guaranteed to try and kill him.
Almost like it was instigated by US/UK interference after forcing them to give up their nuclear deterrence, as they have done and continue to do to Socialist and leftist governments in Latin America and Africa to justify invasion and intervention. This is nothing new.
Feel free to cite a source with evidence for those claims about Gaddafi btw. Afaik there are none aside from anonymous sources with no evidence, which is the most common way the US and its allies make propaganda.
Your reply was to my comment pointing out that the destabilization and then the invasion of Libya by NATO was wholly unjustified, as all imperial core invasions are. If you agree with that what are you even arguing about?
Themes and dialogue? It pretty clearly favors the more anti-authoritarian forms of socialism while heavily criticizing communism and fascism. The ultra-liberals come off the best of the lot but it’s also made clear that they offer no solutions to the problems the city has and capital will always call the shots at the expense of workers.
Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that’s just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.
Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that’s just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.
Or maybe they were really good at coming up with stuff, but really bad at managing projects. And when the organization grew to more than a few people they couldn’t handle it anymore and couldn’t deliver on what they had committed to.
Everyone has a story in this particular screw up, and while I really would like the moral to be “capitalism bad/creatives good”, it sounds like your average SME implosion.
Great game, don’t buy it.
Original devs won’t get any of the money cause they got pushed out. Pirate it instead like me
In a way it’s kinda poetic that Disco Elysium was destroyed by corporate greed. That being said, it’s a great shame that the original creators were robbed of the beautiful world they created. Fuck ZA/UM.
