Might as well ban Germany alongside too. Our government claimed that the case brought forth by South Africa was “without any basis” the moment the hearing at the ICJ ended. Now that the ICJ has demanded preliminary measures and explicitly stated that the Palestinians are at a plausible risk of genocide, the government tried to spin-doctor it, that “without any basis” would be a normal way of communicating different opinions on a legal case. Oh and on the day of the hearing the German genocide against the Herero and Nama people in todays Namibia had it’s 120 years anniversary. The German government did not deem it necessary to adress the fact in any formal way to Namibia or anyone else.
Except for 2018 the last decade was a total embarassement anyways and the spot should be taken by a country whose artists actually make it by ability instead of the spot being paid for.
Germany is one of the biggest humanitarian donators and took many refugees from the region. The foreign ministry refused to call it a Holocaust - which is just on another level. The commitee of the Herero and Nama also critisized the critique on germany as populistic and without legal basis and double standard. The defense of Israel is a state doctrine, also based on history, so it might be a little more complicated than a simple good and bad.
Germany is also a major supplier of weapons and military tech to Israel. This includes donating submarines, where the specs are secret, but it is likely submarines capeable of launching nuclear missiles.
Most of the humanitarian infrastructure got destroyed by Israel multiple times and Germany also announced to stop UNRWA funding over the allegations against 10 former UNRWA employees. Nobody demanded them to speak of “Holocaust” in relationship to Gaza, but acknowledging that it is possible that Israel ist intending to commit genocide, is commiting genocide and most definetely has been commiting a great deal of war crimes, is repeatedly rejected by the German government.
The “state doctrine” shows exactly where the problem lies. Germany is using Israel as “proof” of having learned from its past and is happy to commit and help commiting atrocities in the name of Israel. Jews that are critical of Israel are excluded from public discourse, are excluded from arts and culture, have their rights to demonstrations taken away, are accused of antisemitism and in one case also jailed for demonstrating against Israels war on Gaza. So the German government is even commiting many acts of antisemitism while claiming to defend people from antisemitism. Also antisemitism that is rampant in Germanys mainstream society is defendend and pushed under the rug, while trying to paint antisemitism as an issue “imported” through migration from muslim countries.
Here is an articel that goes in depth about it, and provides numerous examples. For instance the former head of the interior intelligence, that is supposed to fight political extremism has been initially defended by the federal anti-antisemitism officer. Meanwhile he was and still is spurting antisemitic conspiracies on twitter.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-strange-logic-of-germanys-antisemitism-bureaucrats
I didn’t know about this, thanks for bringing attention to it.
It is so typical of German governments to pretend that Germany is the worst in the world and to make up for it ends up helping facists. That was basically what happened with Russia with NordStream. It is also very much what seems to happen with Israel today. Obviously the creation of Israel was in a large part Germanys fault due to the Holocaust and Germany has a moral obligation to make up for it. However that should mean no more genocides and not do everything for Israel, including supporting a government, which openly calls for genocide in parts.
We should have made up for it by giving a part of Germany to European Jews who wanted a state of their own. The Allies should have made us doing so.
Very good, we need more of that. Countries which openly and actively do genocide should at least feel that the world thinks it’s not OK.
I know it’s not really about Eurovision, but honestly who cares about Eurovision
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
But seriously, it’s the gay musical Olympics, what’s not to love? (Unless you’re from Germany/UK in which it’s a point of national pride to dismiss Eurovision, lol?)
No, Germany loves to watch Eurovision, we don’t care, that our own country sucks all the time. By now it’s more of a meme and people are betting, how bad it’s gonna be this year.
I, for one, think that given the recent history and the farce that was the Electric Callboy situation we should from now on send metal acts with steadily increasing levels of heavyness until Europe capitulates.
(The “Electric Callboy situation” was the NDR judging that this song was “not suited for radio play”. It’s one of the most eurovision things ever produced. German radio stations commented the situation by playing it on heavy rotation)
Oh yeah that whole thing was so absurd. Like…it’s so radio friendly, I don’t get it?!? And God they are so good too!! Saw them live last year, one of the most energetic shows I’ve ever seen, period! Germany has so much great music.
Glad to hear y’all are having fun with it! Truly, last year’s results surprised me and made me think Germany might actually be cursed…
Agreed. That song was great! It absolutely deserved to come in the top 15 or so. https://youtu.be/5I9CYu668jA
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I’m British and we’re obsessed with Eurovision, we also enjoy losing.
This is such a great way of putting it! Gave me a chuckle.
Ohhhhhh, so that’s why you guys like playing Cricket with Australia
The entire country of sweden
I don’t care about it, but 162 million people watched it last year 🤷
My girlfriend goes absolutely nuts for it. We tune into the national selections.
The songs are usually pretty good and it’s cute AF to see her getting worked up.
who cares about Eurovision
Lmao are you joking
what if they choose someone who sings about wanting a two state solution
They’re not gonna. The broadcaster that represents Israel in Eurovision even shared a song on twitter with children singing “Within a year we will annihilate everyone” in Gaza. Before deleting it fearing it would make them complicit in genocide.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/20/israeli-children-singing-annihilate-gaza/
Good to see it didn’t spread beyond this small fascist group: “The Civil Front”.
Civil?
“The movement is non-political in nature” Oh really?
Simply removing them on the grounds of not being European should be easy enough and have happened as soon as they were let it. Same with Australia.
So you also want to kick out all the Arab states because they’re “not European”? The EBU has always included the whole Mediterranean. It has Arab founding members.
Yes
And what’s that supposed to achieve, besides appeasing your xenophobia?
What does that have to do with Xenophobia? You a liberal throwing around baseless accusations?
Not that I care about the political show of Eurovision, but it’s made for Europe. Meaning only Europeans should participate.
Not that I care about the political show of Eurovision, but it’s made for Europe. Meaning only Europeans should participate.
It is made by the EBU, for its broadcasting area. That has always, since the very start, included the whole of the Mediterranean.
Not to mention that musically the Arabs are deeply intertwined with Europe due to millennia of cultural exchange over the highway called the Mediterranean. Morocco participated in 1980, but generally Arabs boycott the contest because Israel participates – but that doesn’t make them non-members of the EBU.
What, in the everloving fuck, but xenophobia could make you want to kick out founding members of the EBU. Do you also want to kick out Turkey? When you have a party and your direct neighbour wants to come, and traditionally was part of it, do you suddenly decide to slam the door into their face saying “you live on the wrong side of the backyard pool”?
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Nice speech, but I do not care.
Yes I’d kick Turkey out too. As much as Turks want to pretend, they’re not European either.
Ok xenophobia it is, then. You are literally advocating to ethnically purify the EBU.
Shall we also kick the Spaniards, Greeks and practically all of the Balkan out because their music is too “oriental”, not adequate for your refined northwestern European taste?
They’re part of EBU. Eurovision is an EBU thing.
Everyone should turn up but only sing songs about how Israel are a bunch of cunts.
I’m American so I have never followed Eurovision. I always assumed it was European only. Are there many none European countries that participate? The USA doesn’t right?
Australia is in the contest. Do what you want with that info.
The Eurovision Song Contest is organized by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) an organization set up to regulate TV tech. In short they exist to make sure a TV bought in Spain also works in Sweden. As such the EBU also grants full membership to countries that are not part of Europe but have strong economic ties with the continent and therefore are part of the European Broadcasting Area. That’s how we got Israel in the contest. Australia also competes because (a) they are an associate member (b) they have an long history of airing the contest even before they competed © they spend a large sum of money every year to make the EBU forget where exactly Australia is located.
The US doesn’t participate but a couple of years ago NBC bought the rights and tried to mount an “American Song Contest”. It didn’t work all that well because it was hamstrung by the rigid structure of American network TV. The ESC works (in part) because it is three nights only and they tried to make an entire season of television.
Israel’s participation in Eurovision is part of a deliberate effort to brand the country as essentially European. This is desirable for reasons relating to white supremacy and all the genocides European countries got away with scot-free
If you think that Mediterranean countries aren’t essentially European I don’t know what to tell you either. And that’s before considering the heavily Ashkenazi influence over at least early Israel. One of the EU’s official languages even is Semitic.
Is this some bot hallucinating? Israel is a white supremacist settler colony founded by Europeans. Maybe colonialism is essentially European, but I’d like to believe we moved past that.
Apart from that, most of Turkey and the entire Levant are in Asia. Other Mediterranean countries are in North Africa. Tell me who in their right mind would say that Syria or Egypt are essentially European?
Finally, there is no language called ‘Semitic‘, it is a language family.
No Semitic language is an official EU language.The EU doesn’t even have anything to do with Eurovision.No Semitic language is an official EU language.
Maltese
Indeed! Maybe I’m the bot
I don’t know where to even start. Maybe realise that the sea is literally called “middle of the earth”? That water is a highway, not a barrier? Do I have to bring music into this?
Then: Settler colonialist, yes, completely fair. Ethnostate, at least under right-wing governments, also yes. But “white supremacist”? Would a white supremacist state go to lengths to get black Jews into the country?
Look I’m all for bringing people together and if you ask me, there should be no borders and nations should just exist for administrative purposes. But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
Regarding racism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiOJ6lrX0zY this was more than 10 years ago, it got only worse till then. Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. They serve a purpose, that is making sure Palestinians don’t outnumber Israeli Jews. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews. Just look e.g. at the list of prime ministers to confirm that. I get your point though, we may call it as well Ashkenazi supremacist for that matter. But even if Palestinians were gone, black Jews would be next in line.
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But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
And noone ever claimed so. But if you think that Egyptians would be somehow be ashamed of their Macedonian Pharaos or think that Cleopatra was black you’d also be sorely mistaken. There is a shared cultural heritage in the Mediterranean that’s in many older and deeper than that between say Italy and Germany, divided by pretty much unpassable alps.
Regarding racism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiOJ6lrX0zY this was more than 10 years ago, it got only worse till then.
Note, for the record, it says “African non-Jews”, not “black people”. The primary distinction for Israeli rightoids is always Jew vs. non-Jew, not colour of skin or something, that’s incidental. If there were a sizeable number of, say, Russian non-Jews in Israel they’d want them gone just as much.
Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
They are the worst-educated group of all. Ashkenazi are the best-educated. Doesn’t mean that Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against when it comes to access to education or such, the disparity is due to their different countries of origin having vastly differing educational levels.
When it comes to “pays barely enough to survive”, well, blame Likud and their pudding prices. Right-wing governments were never good at lowering effects of socio-economic background.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews.
Mediterranean and Middle-East Jews nearly outnumber Jews of European origin in Israel, and Ashkenazi are only a subsection of European Jews. The current alpha asshat (Ben Gvir) has roots in Iraq. If you look at polls then Ashkenazi are significantly more liberal on average than other groups, which shouldn’t be surprising given that the exodus from the Muslim world wasn’t exactly a voluntary affair, is the most recent, and the conflict is still ongoing. Jigal Amir has Lebanese roots. Easy for people like them to have a personal axe to grind while Ashkenazi can see how much Europe changed. There’s also a strong Socdem current among Ashkenazi, inherited from Europe and our labour struggles here which just didn’t happen like that in the Arab states, Jews were a strong component of it (which is also why the Nazis came up with the term “Judeo-Bolshevism”, denigrating Socialists as Jews and Jews as Socialists in the same term). Random example: Rosa Luxemburg was a Jew (at least by ancestry and external perception).
OTOH yes fucks like the Stern Gang definitely were also Europeans, arriving at the same time as the Labour Zionists. What I’m saying is that the population has shifted quite a bit since then, overall diminishing direct European influence.
I know I know the usual “anti-colonial” narrative of “Europeans are responsible for everything bad in the world” is an easy “historical” extension of the usual “the CIA is responsible for everything bad in the world” narrative but, face it, we don’t have a monopoly on being assholes. That would be a rather racist claim I’d say. Other people are just as capable of that.
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That would homestly be nice. It’s not about Eurovision, but about sending a message. If Russia gets banned from many activities for invading a sovereign country, Israel should get the same treatment for doing what is (at best) the same.
That’s a lot of Swedish music stars who will not be allowed entry into the US, UK or Germany, where their statements are classified as antisemitism under the IHRA definition. They can still tour Cuba and Venezuela, though.
If the powers that be are successful in redefining Jewishness into alliance with Israel, then Jews really will be bad. Their laws will create millions new antisemites on the left. Let’s hope nobody listens to that BS
You are being negative. I see the Cooker Nationalists holding hands and uniting with the Hippie Socialists. Hey, we could call it the National Socialists! /s
