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      i think the people that voted “very liberal” aren’t liberal at all, they just weren’t given any other options

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        Eh most of the “very liberal” category is probably succdems. But yeah whatever Marxists and Anarchists work at Harvard if they are there probably had to answer very liberal due to lack of options.

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          yeah i was just under the impression (from what i’ve seen) that many people who work in that field are very left wing/socialist

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          The only professor I know who calls himself a Marxist at Harvard is this guy, Stephen Marglin. And he says it with a million qualifiers too, like that he’s a secular humanist first and Marxist second. He mostly does very particular economic work without much advocacy for Marxist praxis. And that’s what I expect most university academic leftists to be, they might call themselves Marxists or anarchists, but with qualifiers and they certainly won’t praise international socialist movements with a full throat. I can’t imagine there are many ivy league professors defending things like the cuban revolution or modern China.

          The only three leftist professors I know about who are what we’d call leftists (not radlibs, or socdems, ultras, etc) have been Vijya Prashad, Michael Parenti, and Richard Wolff.

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            I don’t know if Walter Johnson (history prof) calls himself a Marxist, but I read his The Broken Heart of America and it’s hard to come to any conclusion other than he’s a Marxist but maybe doesn’t explicitly come out and say it. He goes out of his way to discuss various communists in history like Joseph Weydemeyer, who he calls the Zeppo to Marx and Engels’ Harpo and Groucho (he meant it in a positive way, since most Marxists probably aren’t even aware of Weydemeyer).

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    I thought these guys believed that universities were run by the sinister cultural marxists? I don’t even see a single percent of the faculty following that ideology though. I demand more cultural marxists in universities!

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    Because reality is left so academia (when allowed) skews left. But obviously, our masters can’t have leftists in a capitalist country gain any power, so they settle for liberalism, which is still capitalism and therefore right wing, but not so right-wing that you consider flat Earth theory valid.

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      I remember from Noam Chomsky’s Manufacturing consent is that the media may seem more sympathetic to us because it’s as left-leaning as you’re allowed to be. And even then, anything to the left of whatever slop is posted on /pol/ is considered blasphemy. Go ahead, go try to debunk the Bell Curve or say that anarcho-capitalism is not a flawless ideology. Folks will be shocked that anyone dares to question such sacrosanct beliefs.

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    Believes in an ideology which valorizes greed and selfishness

    Complains when fellow believers in that ideology use their education to become fossil fuel execs, Supreme Court justices, and hedge fund managers instead of doing a teaching job which requires more effort and pays way less.

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      Aldo “belongs to political party that constantly says colleges are communist indoctrination camps, shocked that more people with that belief don’t work there”

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    If you take someone with conservative values and you give them a quality education, they become a moderate. If you take someone with progressive values and give them an education they become a socialist very liberal. If you give someone with moderate values an education, they become an MBA. Education selects against conservatives because conservative politics come from ignorance and magical thinking.

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    federal legislation that requires diversity of thought among faculty members

    I mean unironically that would be a step in the right direction because apparently right now 100% of faculty are apparently liberals

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    The college thing always feels like such sour grapes. Conservatives have Bob Jones University, Georgetown, Bringham Young, and a whole billion dollar industry of weird little fundamentalist schools that build replicas of Noah’s Ark. Yet they still want the clout of all the liberal schools. These conservatives places don’t have the reputation of Harvard and Yale because their faculty is full of weird cranks. And I’m gonna guess they get fewer international students because they probably have very racist admission policies (how you can get more racist than Harvard/Yale is impressive).

    I have no idea, but my gut says that conservatives who become academics either: 1) complete and utter cranks like Murray Rothbard who only got into academics to be annoying to people or 2) complete and utter cranks with sincere creationism beliefs who want to spread their particular weird evangelism

    Also Harvard is a school for libs to convince them working at the CIA is actually a humanitarian project. It’s like a soothing balm to wealthy liberals feel better about themselves. Conservatives don’t need that, they already don’t give a shit and don’t need cognitive dissonance. They’re already convinced imperialism is good.

    The most conservative professors I had in college always worked at the engineering department too, so that could explain why Harvard’s so full of libs. The chuds all work at colleges that teach oil drilling science

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      And I’m gonna guess they get fewer international students because they probably have very racist admission policies (how you can get more racist than Harvard/Yale is impressive).

      A friend of mine was just telling me about one of her friends got a scholarship to Bringham Young. He was from an extraordinarily rich family in Taiwan and during his interview the BY interviewer kept talking about how the dude must have had such a hard time growing up in poverty. He thought the interviewer had the wrong person’s file and when he tried to clarify the interviewer told him that Taiwan is a very poor place so whatever he thinks of as “wealthy” isn’t really rich.

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    Harvard’s Overton window goes from right-wing who pretends to feel bad about it to right-wing who pretends to feel good about it.

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    What a bizarre way to organize the chart. It’s not by size, or how conservative or liberal people reported. Is there a reason they’d arrange the sections like this?